The have 6 four stars committed from Texas, in the 2017 class (according to 247). We have 3
quote:Yep it was so bad that he had a better record than stoops until last year.
We had our window and kds shat the bed. lets see what he can do with his second chance. If the window doesn't open back up then he's gone. He has the facilities to attract top talent.
quote:Better record? According to who? Are you adding in his Houston stint? Over the past 4 years at Ou, Stoops is 40-12. Sumlin is 36-16 here in those 4 years. So even before last year, it was 29-10 for Stoops and 28-11 for Sumlin. The biggest difference is the last two years. Stoops has had 7 double digit losses in the last 4 years. Sumlin has had 8, but 7 in the last two years alone. And 8 in our last 28 games. We just simply can't have a third year anything close to the last two and expect him to survive it.quote:Yep it was so bad that he had a better record than stoops until last year.
We had our window and kds shat the bed. lets see what he can do with his second chance. If the window doesn't open back up then he's gone. He has the facilities to attract top talent.
quote:There were some years where OU had moved away from recruiting Texas. They still got some great talent from around the country, but they weren't taking the best players in Texas.
Just reality.
Oklahoma only has 3 players rated 4*, and 2 are already commited to 0u. Texas has 46 players, not including IMG kids etc. I've thought this was over exaggerated. 0u is a perennial power. Their home state only offers a few options so of course they'll thieve.
quote:quote:Better record? According to who? Are you adding in his Houston stint? Over the past 4 years at Ou, Stoops is 40-12. Sumlin is 36-16 here in those 4 years. So even before last year, it was 29-10 for Stoops and 28-11 for Sumlin. The biggest difference is the last two years. Stoops has had 7 double digit losses in the last 4 years. Sumlin has had 8, but 7 in the last two years alone. And 8 in our last 28 games. We just simply can't have a third year anything close to the last two and expect him to survive it.quote:Yep it was so bad that he had a better record than stoops until last year.
We had our window and kds shat the bed. lets see what he can do with his second chance. If the window doesn't open back up then he's gone. He has the facilities to attract top talent.
When you take out year 1, which is beginning to look further and further away therefore holding less weight, Sumlin is 25-14 and stoops is 30-9. I realize he did this in the big 12 and we were in the sec, but in reality, our schedule really wasn't that much harder when you look at our piss poor non conference slate. Ou has played Tennessee and Notre Dame in theirs. And please don't turn this into me saying the 2012 season doesn't count. It does, but the further away from it we get, the less it means in the grand scheme of things. We have to duplicate that season soon otherwise all of the momentum is gone from it and it means virtually nothing. One could argue that has already taken place and we have already lost all of the momentum we built up.
Like that poster said, Sumlin needs to start winning now or he's done. He's lost momentum on the field and the recruiting trail. the 2012 season and the 2014 recruiting class seem like forever ago. Now we are recruiting at a 15-20 level and playing at a level outside of the top 25. If that doesn't change in the 2016 season and the 2017 class, there's really no reason to believe he'll get it done here like Stoops has there.
When Stoops had his 8-5 year, he sandwiched it in between two 11-2 years. All people are saying is that Sumlin needs to start winning this year. We have have two straight 8-5 years. We can't have a third in a row and ever expect him to get back on track in terms of recruiting. Our conference is too tough to suffer through 4 straight 8-9 win seasons(if we don't win 10 this year) and expect a coach to recruit at a level required to win it.