ORAggieFan said:
aTm2004 said:
What's the incentive to get the vaccine if nothing changes after you get it?
Also, the push by the government, media, and societal pressure to get a vaccine that did not exist a year ago, is not helping either. We have over a year's worth of data to know which groups are at greater risk, and someone who is of little risk shouldn't be pressured or required to get it. If they choose to, they should be able to. Likewise, if someone chooses not to because they reviewed the data and see they are a minimal risk, their decision should be respected as well.
No matter your views on COVID, the tribalism that has formed because of it is leading to a divide in this country that should never exist.
Right or wrong, it's the same reason we push for vaccines of so much more. Not everyone can get a vaccine. Spoke to a guy who's last flu shot put him in the hospital for two days. Those who are able and unwilling put others at risk who aren't unwilling, just unable.
Pressure didn't exist last year because we didn't have a vaccine. Pressure has been there for years for other vaccines since the idiots that began to believe they caused autism.
Yeah, but some of us that are fully vaccinated with fully vaccinated children still have questions. Maybe some hesitancy with the Covid vaccines is based on the government's track record? We should start by putting this anti-vaxxer autism thing to rest, so we can move on. The debate likely stems from a lack of information. Since you obviously aren't an "idiot," I'm sure you can help me clear some things up, so we can get on the same page.
1. The Vaccine Court ruled that Hannah Poling's autism was caused by a vaccine, so does that still mean that vaccines have never caused autism? Was the court's ruling wrong? Did it help that her father was a Harvard neurologist, she was in his study, and his colleague agreed with the diagnosis, even though he risked receiving the opprobrious title of anti-vaxxer by the medical community?
https://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/news/20080306/dad-in-autism-vaccine-case-speaks-out 2. Has the government made any mistakes, for like over a decade, with vaccines? It is very evident the government as a great track record with vaccines, except when it doesn't. What should have raised some red flags long ago was a 3-year government study, the Mercury in Medicine Report, which was reported on hardly anywhere. Why? Probably because of the FDA guideline in 1997 (not a law passed by Congress) that enabled pharmaceutical companies to advertise directly to consumers. Like all the other countries in the world? No, I think it is still just one (New Zealand). For some reason, the rest of the world appears to think this could cause a problem with media not wanting to bite the hand that feeds it.
Today, we also have to contend with the media colluding to hide what they deem "vaccine disinformation."
"At a recent summit chaired by the BBC's new Director General, Tim Davie, the Trusted News Initiative (TNI) agreed to focus on combatting the spread of harmful vaccine disinformation."
"The partners currently within the TNI are: AP, AFP; BBC, CBC/Radio-Canada, European Broadcasting Union (EBU), Facebook, Financial Times, First Draft, Google/YouTube, The Hindu, Microsoft, Reuters, Reuters Institute for the Study of Journalism, Twitter, The Washington Post."
https://www.bbc.com/mediacentre/2020/trusted-news-initiative-vaccine-disinformation Mercury in Medicine Report
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The EPA established the most conservative level: 0.1 micrograms of mercury per kilogram of body weight per day. Under this standard, an 11pound baby (roughly 5 kilograms) could be exposed to up to 0.5 micrograms of mercury per day and be considered safe. This exposure standard is a marked contrast to the 25 micrograms of mercury that was contained in several childhood vaccines... After 1986, some children went from getting 25 micrograms in one day or 75 micrograms in the first six months of life to getting 62.5 micrograms of ethylmercury in a day or 187.5 micrograms in the first six months of life
if Congress had not enacted legislation in 1997 requiring the FDA to study the amounts of mercury being used in FDA-approved products, it is questionable that the FDA would have analyzed mercury in vaccines at all."
"Thimerosal used as a preservative in vaccines is likely related to the autism epidemic. This epidemic in all probability may have been prevented or curtailed had the FDA not been asleep at the switch regarding the lack of safety data regarding injected thimerosal and the sharp rise of infant exposure to this known neurotoxin. Our public health agencies' failure to act is indicative of institutional malfeasance for self-protection and misplaced protectionism of the pharmaceutical industry." Big Pharma is the largest lobby in Washington, by far. I'm not sure if it was in the 1990s.
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CREC-2003-05-21/html/CREC-2003-05-21-pt1-PgE1011-3.htm "The F.D.A. team's conclusions were frightening. Vaccines added under Halsey's watch [a Johns Hopkins pediatrician and chairman of the American Academy of Pediatrics committee on infectious diseases from 1995 through June 1999] had tripled the dose of mercury that infants got in their first few months of life.
As many as 30 million American children may have been exposed to mercury in excess of Environmental Protection Agency guidelines levels of mercury that, in theory, could have killed enough brain cells to scramble thinking or hex behavior. 'My first reaction was simply disbelief, which was the reaction of almost everybody involved in vaccines,' Halsey says. 'In most vaccine containers, thimerosal is listed as a mercury derivative, a hundredth of a percent. And what I believed, and what everybody else believed, was that it was truly a trace, a biologically insignificant amount. My honest belief is that if the labels had had the mercury content in micrograms, this would have been uncovered years ago.
But the fact is, no one did the calculation.'" No one, for years, in the entire medical industry or government? Does this mean pediatricians were blindly following the Vaccine Schedule? Well, no concerns because doctors don't have any liability if they follow the schedule.
https://www.nytimes.com/2002/11/10/magazine/the-not-so-crackpot-autism-theory.html "At the time the FDA Modernization Act [1997] was passed, infants were recommended to receive three different vaccines that contained thimerosal
diphtheria-tetanus-acellular pertussis (DTaP),
hepatitis B and
Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib). Infants receiving all of these vaccines could have been exposed to a cumulative dose of mercury as high as 187.5 micrograms (ug)* by 6 months of age. The cumulative dose exceeded guidelines recommended by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA).
Thimerosal, as a preservative, is no longer contained in any childhood vaccine, with the exception of the influenza vaccine [multi-dose vials]." (Under the subheading: Removal of thimerosal from vaccines)
https://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-ingredients/thimerosal So, if you got a multi-dose flu vaccine with Thimerosal as an adult, were you overdosed, too? How about a tetanus shot? The kicker is what if the person administering the multi-dose vaccine containing Thimerosal forgot to shake the vial? What if they forgot more than once? How much Thimerosal does the last person get?
3. If some adults have problems with Thimerosal, is it crazy to think babies don't?
https://www.*****ute.com/video/mChC5qkDK9Fy/ (Bit chute)
It seems convenient that the government moved the vaccine schedule up to start vaccinating babies, as early as the day they are born, after Big Pharma received immunity from liability. The number of vaccines in the Vaccine Schedule also increased significantly. Babies receive up to 9 vaccines on the same day, according to the Vaccine Schedule.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/easy-to-read/child-easyread.html How many cross-reaction vaccine safety studies has the government done? Zero? 9 seems high. Hope none of the 9 cause reactions like some people experience after the Shingles or Covid vaccines. Pretty helpful that babies can't talk.
4. Why does the government use the INGESTED
Methylmercury standard for INJECTED
Ethylmercury? Any red flags? Thimerosal has been used in vaccines for almost 100 years. They never got around to establishing its own standard? How many safety studies did the government conduct prior to approving the use of Thimerosal in vaccines? Zero? Is it the same amount of safety studies it did prior to recommending vaccines for pregnant women? The inventory of vaccines with Thimerosal for children was used up by 2003. (No need to cause a panic by recalling them earlier.) When did the government start recommending vaccines for pregnant women?
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Organic mercury [in Thimerosal] readily crosses the blood-brain barrier and also crosses the placenta. Fetal blood mercury levels are equal to or higher than maternal levels...The toxicity of organic mercury compounds is dependent on specific compound, route of exposure, dose, and age of the person at exposure. Organic mercury compounds are most toxic in the CNS [central nervous system], though the kidneys and immune system may also be affected...
Signs of toxicity from acute exposure progress from paresthesias and ataxia to generalized weakness, visual and hearing impairment, and tremor and muscle spasticity to coma and death."
"Ethylmercury, although it
may have similar toxicity to methylmercury, has been less studied."
"Mercury in all of its forms is toxic to the fetus and children, and efforts should be made to reduce exposure to the extent possible to pregnant women and children as well as the general population."
https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/108/1/197 5. All of that aside, was Thimerosal ever required to make vaccines? If it wasn't required, why was it used? Are there toxic synergistic effects when you combine vaccines with Thimerosal with vaccines containing Aluminum? What happens when you throw in testosterone? Neomycin?
"Back in
2005 [study link], Boyd Haley [Professor and Chair, Department of Chemistry at the University of Kentucky] also reported on the effects on cultured neurons of both vaccine ingredients, thimerosal and aluminum hydroxide, alone and in combination, for two time periods (six hours and 24 hours). Within 24 hours, the thimerosal alone had caused about 70% of the neurons to die, but it took only
six hours for the combination of thimerosal plus aluminum to kill nearly the same proportion (60%) of neurons, 'an amazing increase [that] clearly demonstratessynergistic effects.'"
Any concerns now? If not, I can go on. The government has a great track record. The vaccines mentioned were not even rushed.
