Either way, the dog and I will continue to roam the UO practice facilities

To be fair Oregon's training staff are world leaders in treating crippling thigh bruises.

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His exact words… " "I just wanted to be in a great program that had order and [structure]. I got here and everything is in order. Honestly, everything is so much better here. I love it here," he said. "

Jimbo's program maintenance looks more and more like he didn't give a sht. Can't blame EStew on that take.

Full article
https://247sports.com/college/oregon/article/evan-stewart-oregon-ducks-football--230989641/

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To be fair, he is an adult and should have been able to hold himself accountable by showing up to practice rather than needing some to hold his hand

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This was my thought, he needs someone to tell him he has to show up to practices and workouts and be on time? Does he think that's how the real world works?

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Yet they have never won a National Championship and rank behind us in total wins. You have Nike Bias.

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You sound like the sips and their historic record versus us. History isn't relevant and I don't like Nike more than Adidas, but they are treated better than any other program as far as merch goes. This football program has done nothing except a capture a string of "almosts" here and there. The only thing that we have as a program now that we didn't in the big 12 is more money. Great for the school, except for the education part, but it hasn't translated in to wins.

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Yet they have never won a National Championship and rank behind us in total wins. You have Nike Bias.

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You sound like the sips and their historic record versus us. History isn't relevant and I don't like Nike more than Adidas, but they are treated better than any other program as far as merch goes. This football program has done nothing except a capture a string of "almosts" here and there. The only thing that we have as a program now that we didn't in the big 12 is more money. Great for the school, except for the education part, but it hasn't translated in to wins.

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Feel your post is pretty shortsighted

Better stadium, honestly better facilties across the board, higher profile nationally than we did in the last 5-10 years of the b12. Beyond that, I dontagree on the "translated to wins" either (unless you're just looking at win loss%)

The success we had was against much greater competition. Maybe we would have won the b12 with those teams, but we also wouldn't have those teams had we stayed in the b12.

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Better stadium, honestly better facilties across the board, higher profile nationally than we did in the last 5-10 years of the b12. Beyond that, I dontagree on the "translated to wins" either (unless you're just looking at win loss%)

The success we had was against much greater competition. Maybe we would have won the b12 with those teams, but we also wouldn't have those teams had we stayed in the b12.

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We have a bigger stadium. Cool. Did you read the concessions thread

Facilities wise, we are ranked 2nd according to the last comparison I read, only behind...Oregon. go figure.

We do have a bigger profile than before, but some of that is just because of the money that was spent, on recruits and Jimbo. Just looking at the coaching fiasco we almost had here puts it in perspective.
We are essentially, the SEC version of the Big12 version of A&M. Middling program with potential, and may make waves every 4 or 5 years. Don't' forget to donate the player fund!

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Better stadium, honestly better facilties across the board, higher profile nationally than we did in the last 5-10 years of the b12. Beyond that, I dontagree on the "translated to wins" either (unless you're just looking at win loss%)

The success we had was against much greater competition. Maybe we would have won the b12 with those teams, but we also wouldn't have those teams had we stayed in the b12.

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We have a bigger stadium. Cool. Did you read the concessions thread

Facilities wise, we are ranked 2nd according to the last comparison I read, only behind...Oregon. go figure.

We do have a bigger profile than before, but some of that is just because of the money that was spent, on recruits and Jimbo. Just looking at the coaching fiasco we almost had here puts it in perspective.
We are essentially, the SEC version of the Big12 version of A&M. Middling program with potential, and may make waves every 4 or 5 years. Don't' forget to donate the player fund!

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Nothing you have said is incorrect. However, we are now a national brand and we now recruit across the country and sign much better talent than we were from 1999-2011; when we were a regional brand beating out tech and baylor for recruits. The biggest goal of moving to the SEC was to become a national program and we have done just that. By doing so, we put ourselves in a position to win big. Has it happened yet? No, but we are in the position to do so and we are in a much better position than we have ever been in with the impending super conference. We have a seat at the table, a talented roster, and the facilities to support the efforts.

Of course winning something meaningful would validate your postulations better than stating them as naked claims.

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Of course winning something meaningful would validate your postulations better than stating them as naked claims.

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Why is it a naked claim? Our out of state enrollment is up, out of state football recruiting is up, clearly we have a bigger national foot print. Are you niave enough to believe we moved to the SEC with winning as the #1 priority?

I agree for the most part, but most of my point was comparative to Oregon. They have simply done better. And now that we no longer have the differentiator from ut and ou, I feel we fall back to where we were.

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I agree for the most part, but most of my point was comparative to Oregon. They have simply done better. And now that we no longer have the differentiator from ut and ou, I feel we fall back to where we were.

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Oregon has done a tremendous job in terms of marketing and branding overall. Whoever their firm is does a world class job.

I strongly disagree with you about not having a differentiator and I will explain. Right away we did have one differentiator, the SEC. Then Johnny jumped on the scene and so did Sumlin, we had a great look with uniforms and we marketed ourselves very well. We were expected to 6-6 at best in the first 3 years, that didnt happen and our recruiting went to another level. Then the money came in. So had SEC, Heisman, winning football (even if not 10 games) and elite facilities; compare that to 2009 where tu and OU were on top, we were fighting baylor and tech for 20 of our 25 signees, and facilities were good but not great. It helped that tu was floundering and the big 12 was at an all time low.

Then we hired Jimbo, then we recruited nation wide, then we won the Orange bowl. Then came NIL payroll. And over the course of 2012-present the SEC moved down the list of competitive advantages when we pitched our sales deck to recruits. We leveraged all the sweat equity of the move and the SEC to be something bigger than just an SEC program. That brings us to today, we are national brand that recruits all over the country and signs national elite blue chips, we have elite facilities, and lots of ORGANIZED money for NIL, lastly we have a strong coach that has built a quality staff that clearly is making waves with recruits and transfers. However and whoever you want to credit, we have made the SEC factor not the biggest differentiator and it has benefited us.

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Of course winning something meaningful would validate your postulations better than stating them as naked claims.

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How would this board survive without your daily pearls of wisdom.

I'm saying we no longer have that differentiator, as ut and ou are inbound.

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Without maroon colored glasses, Oregon is a better program. They field better teams. They are pampered by Nike, etc. All we have here is potential. Always potential.

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Yet they have never won a National Championship and rank behind us in total wins. You have Nike Bias.

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You wanna rethink this....

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Without maroon colored glasses, Oregon is a better program. They field better teams. They are pampered by Nike, etc. All we have here is potential. Always potential.

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Yet they have never won a National Championship and rank behind us in total wins. You have Nike Bias.

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You wanna rethink this....

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We have a lot more wins all time than them, and they've never won a NC, although they have played for two this century.

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Of course winning something meaningful would validate your postulations better than stating them as naked claims.

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How would this board survive without your daily pearls of wisdom.

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Blue star

Who cares about total wins? I only care what we can accomplish, or what we have or have not.

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I'm saying we no longer have that differentiator, as ut and ou are inbound.

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I hear you there, I would argue it hasn't been a major factor in guys coming here especially since Jimbo joined. I would say it is like a pitching staff losing their 4th starter. Yes it is something to be mitigated and I believe we have with the way Elko has organized his staff and the overall program as well as how tight our NIL is ran. We have finally figured out how to position ourselves for the future. We are well funded, well organized, intentional, and have all the pieces put together so that our sales pitch is no longer "we are SEC, we have big stadium."

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wangus12 said:

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His exact words… " "I just wanted to be in a great program that had order and [structure]. I got here and everything is in order. Honestly, everything is so much better here. I love it here," he said. "

Jimbo's program maintenance looks more and more like he didn't give a sht. Can't blame EStew on that take.

Full article
https://247sports.com/college/oregon/article/evan-stewart-oregon-ducks-football--230989641/

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To be fair, he is an adult and should have been able to hold himself accountable by showing up to practice rather than needing some to hold his hand

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This was my thought, he needs someone to tell him he has to show up to practices and workouts and be on time? Does he think that's how the real world works?

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For people who feel entitled, that's EXACTLY how the world works.

Horse feathers!

Why are we still talking about this?

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Either way, the dog and I will continue to roam the UO practice facilities

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We've been down to Hayward Field alot for T&F meets. Orygun u has amazing facilities and it is an admittedly nice campus. Eugene/springfield reminds me of BCS when A&M was only 40k enrollment in early 90s.

IF evan would have stayed and not gotten in trouble, he would have torn it up this year! Elite QB play is something he didn't have last year but would have had this year.

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IF evan would have stayed and not gotten in trouble, he would have torn it up this year! Elite QB play is something he didn't have last year but would have had this year.

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So you're saying we have 3 elite QB's this year? Awesome!

good riddance

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Some of y'all really got your feelings hurt, huh?

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Not really I just don't get wishing someone well when they quit on our team and then trash us every chance they get.

I don't wish him ill, but I also don't wish him well.

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Perfectly said!

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I'm saying we no longer have that differentiator, as ut and ou are inbound.

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I believe that fans of both of those schools will eventually look back and wonder how great of a move it was to leave the Big 12. Keep in mind, I am ONLY referring to fans, so financial reasons are not considered here.

Here are my reasons:

1. Fans want championships.

2. The road to obtain the championship includes getting into the playoffs.

3. Sips or sooners would likely have won the Big 12 possibly 3 out of every 5 seasons.

4. If sips or sooners didn't win the Big 12, quite likely they would have a strong record that may be enough to get them into the playoffs anyways.

5. The competitive strength of the SEC may allow 3 playoff teams a year, but no guarantee of that.

6. It will be MUCH more difficult for sips or sooners to continually be a top 3 team in the SEC, than it would be to either be Big 12 Champion, or runner-up with a strong record.

So in conclusion, again only from the fan prospective, I believe over a 15 to 20 year period, sips and sooners will likely have about one-third of the playoff appearances they would have had by staying in the Big 12.

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Why are we still talking about this?

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I'm saying we no longer have that differentiator, as ut and ou are inbound.

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I believe that fans of both of those schools will eventually look back and wonder how great of a move it was to leave the Big 12. Keep in mind, I am ONLY referring to fans, so financial reasons are not considered here.

Here are my reasons:

1. Fans want championships.

2. The road to obtain the championship includes getting into the playoffs.

3. Sips or sooners would likely have won the Big 12 possibly 3 out of every 5 seasons.

4. If sips or sooners didn't win the Big 12, quite likely they would have a strong record that may be enough to get them into the playoffs anyways.

5. The competitive strength of the SEC may allow 3 playoff teams a year, but no guarantee of that.

6. It will be MUCH more difficult for sips or sooners to continually be a top 3 team in the SEC, than it would be to either be Big 12 Champion, or runner-up with a strong record.

So in conclusion, again only from the fan prospective, I believe over a 15 to 20 year period, sips and sooners will likely have about one-third of the playoff appearances they would have had by staying in the Big 12.

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A&M fans seem pretty content with the move notwithstanding having only 1/3 of the playoff appearances they would have had in the Big 12. If we round up then Texas is only looking at one less appearance regardless (assuming the Horns get credit for the championship season when there were just 2 teams in the playoffs).

I mean, we did wear Nike in the 90's which was pretty much our best decade right?

Stewart is talented no doubt but not very tough at all. Maybe those Nike uniforms will make him fight for a first down instead of running out of bounds a yard early to avoid contact.

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I mean, we did wear Nike in the 90's which was pretty much our best decade right?

Stewart is talented no doubt but not very tough at all. Maybe those Nike uniforms will make him fight for a first down instead of running out of bounds a yard early to avoid contact.

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Those diamond plated shoulder pads will give him the protection he wants. First downs will be back in fashion!

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SteveA said:

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I'm saying we no longer have that differentiator, as ut and ou are inbound.

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I believe that fans of both of those schools will eventually look back and wonder how great of a move it was to leave the Big 12. Keep in mind, I am ONLY referring to fans, so financial reasons are not considered here.

Here are my reasons:

1. Fans want championships.

2. The road to obtain the championship includes getting into the playoffs.

3. Sips or sooners would likely have won the Big 12 possibly 3 out of every 5 seasons.

4. If sips or sooners didn't win the Big 12, quite likely they would have a strong record that may be enough to get them into the playoffs anyways.

5. The competitive strength of the SEC may allow 3 playoff teams a year, but no guarantee of that.

6. It will be MUCH more difficult for sips or sooners to continually be a top 3 team in the SEC, than it would be to either be Big 12 Champion, or runner-up with a strong record.

So in conclusion, again only from the fan prospective, I believe over a 15 to 20 year period, sips and sooners will likely have about one-third of the playoff appearances they would have had by staying in the Big 12.

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Given the current makeup of conferences, any year that the SEC only gets 3 teams into the playoff should be a very disappointing year for the conference.