the offense looks terrible. we were lucky to win the first two games, and tonight it showed against a good D. osweiler needs to stop making HEB commercials and focus on becoming a decent player
quote:BTW: The REAL criminal was His Emperorness the High Holy BASTA^D Bob Lanier. He refused to even negotiate with Bud who offered to continue to pay his share for the Dome improvements AND fund a YUGE portion of a new stadium. MUCH better deal for Houston than what we ended up with.
**** you, Bud Adams!
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I quit the NFL when the Oilers left and only follow the Texans with middling interest so its really no big deal. Don't have to waste my Sundays anymore on NFL football.
quote:It's not even the worst loss in the last four games. Losing 30-0 to the Chiefs in a playoff game is by far a worse showing.
Possibly the worst loss in this pathetic franchise history.
quote:Labor Day weekend was fantastic BECAUSE there was NO NFL. 3 days of real football without the multi-millionaire thugs anywhere to be seen. Wish they would go on permanent strike or something so we could only have the college game on the sports radar !!!
I watched Clemson vs. GA Tech for the 8 minutes I managed to stay awake instead of this game. Sounds like I chose wisely.
Plus, the NFL turning into a political hack of an organization is really making it harder and harder to watch the games as it is anyway.
quote:1A and 1B..maybe I should have said regular season !quote:It's not even the worst loss in the last four games. Losing 30-0 to the Chiefs in a playoff game is by far a worse showing.
Possibly the worst loss in this pathetic franchise history.
quote:Bud offered to pay for $85 million of a new stadium. That wasn't going to be a YUGE portion. Maybe 25-30%. We literally DID NOT pay the price for several years.quote:BTW: The REAL criminal was His Emperorness the High Holy BASTA^D Bob Lanier. He refused to even negotiate with Bud who offered to continue to pay his share for the Dome improvements AND fund a YUGE portion of a new stadium. MUCH better deal for Houston than what we ended up with.
**** you, Bud Adams!
Bottom Line Bud was a total ******* and a bully BUT he was also a founder of the AFL and fought like HELL to make sure that Houston had a franchise. He was damn near forced out of town by the POS Lanier and we ( Houston) have paid the price ever since.
quote:Not to derail the thread but certainly agree with this.
Why anyone thinks it is okay to publicly fund stadiums of any kind is beyond me.
quote:yep. I may be off on the amount that Bottom Line was willing to pay. I remember a bigger amount but that was a lot of dead brain cells ago HOWEVER... It was Lanier that refused to deal with Bud. Whatever the amount offered it was a NEGOTIATION and His Holiness refused to even play. No doubt the amount would have been greater BUT it takes 2 to negotiate. Not revisionist just a fact. Of course Bud was so hated in Houston that many short sighted folks just said let him go. We were all mad as hell over his ownership but it really was the arrogant Lanier I Rex that blew it.
Original Ag always seems to have an oddly revisionist view of history.
quote:If you are talking about NRG, it cost just under $500 million to build of which about $290 million was publicly funded. Which is $290 million too many dollars but nowhere near $1 billion...I digress...quote:yep. I may be off on the amount that Bottom Line was willing to pay. I remember a bigger amount but that was a lot of dead brain cells ago HOWEVER... It was Lanier that refused to deal with Bud. Whatever the amount offered it was a NEGOTIATION and His Holiness refused to even play. No doubt the amount would have been greater BUT it takes 2 to negotiate. Not revisionist just a fact. Of course Bud was so hated in Houston that many short sighted folks just said let him go. We were all mad as hell over his ownership but it really was the arrogant Lanier I Rex that blew it.
Original Ag always seems to have an oddly revisionist view of history.
I was there and know several of the insiders from the city government back then. His Majesty was actually shocked when Bid called his bluff and it cost the taxpayers pert near a BILLION to build the new play pen for the new Billionaire to house his multi-millionaire game players.....
The Oilers never should have been forced out. As bad as they were they were a much better franchise than the zoo we have now. The new owner is a class act and a genuine nice guy, 180 deg from Bottom Line YET..Bud's boys have been to the dance and have an actual history. Would love to have them back sans the dead Adams !
quote:My bad. Should be It cost Houston almost a BILLION for the stadiumS we had to build for the BillionaireS.. Reliant, Enron and the basketball palace ( can't remember its name) when they ALL threatened to leave to greener pastures back to back to back. I was hoping that Houston would be the first City Of Sanity and tell them ALL to go to HELL and be the only major city in America not to be held hostage by the robber barons of sports. If ALL pro sports ceased to exist it wouldn't bother me a bit.. and I am a recovering Oiler and Astros season ticket holder... ( hate basketball ).quote:If you are talking about NRG, it cost just under $500 million to build of which about $290 million was publicly funded. Which is $290 million too many dollars but nowhere near $1 billion...I digress...quote:yep. I may be off on the amount that Bottom Line was willing to pay. I remember a bigger amount but that was a lot of dead brain cells ago HOWEVER... It was Lanier that refused to deal with Bud. Whatever the amount offered it was a NEGOTIATION and His Holiness refused to even play. No doubt the amount would have been greater BUT it takes 2 to negotiate. Not revisionist just a fact. Of course Bud was so hated in Houston that many short sighted folks just said let him go. We were all mad as hell over his ownership but it really was the arrogant Lanier I Rex that blew it.
Original Ag always seems to have an oddly revisionist view of history.
I was there and know several of the insiders from the city government back then. His Majesty was actually shocked when Bid called his bluff and it cost the taxpayers pert near a BILLION to build the new play pen for the new Billionaire to house his multi-millionaire game players.....
The Oilers never should have been forced out. As bad as they were they were a much better franchise than the zoo we have now. The new owner is a class act and a genuine nice guy, 180 deg from Bottom Line YET..Bud's boys have been to the dance and have an actual history. Would love to have them back sans the dead Adams !
Regarding Bud, keep in mind he first threatened to leave if the county did not let him rip the beloved scoreboard out of the Astrodome to install 10,000 extra seats. The county caved and the people were pissed off to no end. Bud knew then that he was done in Houston. Oilers support dropped off drastically after that fiasco. Remember the threat of TV blackout every single week because they couldn't sell out? I do. Bud knew the city wasn't going to finance a new stadium no matter what so he tossed his number out there to make Lanier and company look like a-holes. Then he took his ball and ran off to Nashville.
quote:If only you knew just what an understatement you have just made. I know exactly what type of things that the sports thuggeries do for damn near ALL electeds ! Its unreal the amount of " donations" they and their minions and shell PACS make to the pols not to mention the treatment the ruling class elites receive in the palaces that the hourly workers paid for.quote:Not to derail the thread but certainly agree with this.
Why anyone thinks it is okay to publicly fund stadiums of any kind is beyond me.
Unfortunately, the ownership class and political class are very cozy with each other and there are enough meathead voters that will approve just about any bond package the second a team threatens to leave town.
If the US would force the league to install a promotion and relegation system, owners would lose their ability to dangle their local monopoly over politicians and voters. Product on the field sucks? BAM. Relegated to the CFL. Want a new stadium or you'll leave town? Spend your own money or its bye Felicia. New club (or different local club) will take the old place.
quote:I am confused. You berated Lanier for standing up to Bud Adams in one post, but then deride pols for sidling up to owners in this one. Are you playing both sides of the coin?quote:If only you knew just what an understatement you have just made. I know exactly what type of things that the sports thuggeries do for damn near ALL electeds ! Its unreal the amount of " donations" they and their minions and shell PACS make to the pols not to mention the treatment the ruling class elites receive in the palaces that the hourly workers paid for.quote:Not to derail the thread but certainly agree with this.
Why anyone thinks it is okay to publicly fund stadiums of any kind is beyond me.
Unfortunately, the ownership class and political class are very cozy with each other and there are enough meathead voters that will approve just about any bond package the second a team threatens to leave town.
If the US would force the league to install a promotion and relegation system, owners would lose their ability to dangle their local monopoly over politicians and voters. Product on the field sucks? BAM. Relegated to the CFL. Want a new stadium or you'll leave town? Spend your own money or its bye Felicia. New club (or different local club) will take the old place.
There is not a chance that the light of day will ever reveal the absolute corruption of our political system has mainly cause both side revel in it and the media is equally cozy and CODDLED by the sports thuggery elites...
quote:Move to Montreal. See how that kind of stuff has worked out for them.quote:Not to derail the thread but certainly agree with this.
Why anyone thinks it is okay to publicly fund stadiums of any kind is beyond me.
Unfortunately, the ownership class and political class are very cozy with each other and there are enough meathead voters that will approve just about any bond package the second a team threatens to leave town.
If the US would force the league to install a promotion and relegation system, owners would lose their ability to dangle their local monopoly over politicians and voters. Product on the field sucks? BAM. Relegated to the CFL. Want a new stadium or you'll leave town? Spend your own money or its bye Felicia. New club (or different local club) will take the old place.
quote:I berated Lanier for not doing his job as mayor and negotiating with a businessman 20 plus years ago. Adams didn't coddle anybody not did he cozy up with any pols back then. He was an entity all to himself and it almost ruined the Oilers. He was as arrogant as Lanier. Bud DID suck up to the yokels in Nashville and got a sweet deal out of it in return. Guess he learned what ALL owners now know.quote:I am confused. You berated Lanier for standing up to Bud Adams in one post, but then deride pols for sidling up to owners in this one. Are you playing both sides of the coin?quote:If only you knew just what an understatement you have just made. I know exactly what type of things that the sports thuggeries do for damn near ALL electeds ! Its unreal the amount of " donations" they and their minions and shell PACS make to the pols not to mention the treatment the ruling class elites receive in the palaces that the hourly workers paid for.quote:Not to derail the thread but certainly agree with this.
Why anyone thinks it is okay to publicly fund stadiums of any kind is beyond me.
Unfortunately, the ownership class and political class are very cozy with each other and there are enough meathead voters that will approve just about any bond package the second a team threatens to leave town.
If the US would force the league to install a promotion and relegation system, owners would lose their ability to dangle their local monopoly over politicians and voters. Product on the field sucks? BAM. Relegated to the CFL. Want a new stadium or you'll leave town? Spend your own money or its bye Felicia. New club (or different local club) will take the old place.
There is not a chance that the light of day will ever reveal the absolute corruption of our political system has mainly cause both side revel in it and the media is equally cozy and CODDLED by the sports thuggery elites...
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Texans became dead to me when they passed up on JFF. Now I just have to laugh at them and their fans. Lifelong Houstonian and I HATE the Texans. Have fun with your $70MM loser QB and slacker ass Jadayveon Clowney.
I don't know why anyone invests emotionally in this team at all. They've always been crap and will always be crap.
quote:Your QB is great. Worth every penny of $70MM.quote:
Texans became dead to me when they passed up on JFF. Now I just have to laugh at them and their fans. Lifelong Houstonian and I HATE the Texans. Have fun with your $70MM loser QB and slacker ass Jadayveon Clowney.
I don't know why anyone invests emotionally in this team at all. They've always been crap and will always be crap.
yeah, we sure missed out
quote:Montreal has (had) crappy American style sports franchises. The Expos moved to DC where political corruption is the name of the game. They still don't have any teams that exist in a promotion/relegation type of setup.
Move to Montreal. See how that kind of stuff has worked out for them.
quote:i didn't say who we had now was great. just pointing out the absurdness of your allegiance dying on not picking johnny boyquote:Your QB is great. Worth every penny of $70MM.quote:
Texans became dead to me when they passed up on JFF. Now I just have to laugh at them and their fans. Lifelong Houstonian and I HATE the Texans. Have fun with your $70MM loser QB and slacker ass Jadayveon Clowney.
I don't know why anyone invests emotionally in this team at all. They've always been crap and will always be crap.
yeah, we sure missed out
Do yourself a favor and give up on this team and focus on other things like friends and family and fulfilling hobbies.