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I don't know your personal religious views, but why would the concept of chi be any more nonsensical than any number of ancient judeo-christian beliefs?
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I do know this. Water does not have memory despite what homeopaths would like you to believe.
Most benefits from any type of homeopathic tablets likely come from the binding agents and not any of the bull**** HPUS.
Leeches used after specific surgeries for specific treatments do work but not in the old blood letting way.
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I'm aware of the idiocy of arguing with her.
Something probably helped him. It was more likely whatever powdered substance the tablet was made of than what the water was exposed to.
quote:how is that possible if the tablets don't contain anything? Why would "just water" have any side effects at all?quote:
I'm aware of the idiocy of arguing with her.
Something probably helped him. It was more likely whatever powdered substance the tablet was made of than what the water was exposed to.
Somewhat interestingly, the harmful side effects from poisoning your child with the tablets, from the FDA link, include sleepiness and lethargy:
Symptoms include a depressed level of consciousness, seizure, difficulty or slowed breathing, lethargy, sleepiness, muscle weakness, skin flushing, constipation, difficulty urinating, or agitation.
quote:quote:how is that possible if the tablets don't contain anything? Why would "just water" have any side effects at all?quote:
I'm aware of the idiocy of arguing with her.
Something probably helped him. It was more likely whatever powdered substance the tablet was made of than what the water was exposed to.
Somewhat interestingly, the harmful side effects from poisoning your child with the tablets, from the FDA link, include sleepiness and lethargy:
Symptoms include a depressed level of consciousness, seizure, difficulty or slowed breathing, lethargy, sleepiness, muscle weakness, skin flushing, constipation, difficulty urinating, or agitation.
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How can a tablet be made of just water?
They still have so called inactive ingredients and binders to make the actual tablet.
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I think they have changed the formula. They had a recall several years back.
quote:I'm a democrat, wtf is a job?
Do any of yall cock knockers have jobs?
quote:It's where you provide your services in exchange for dollars. Do you like to have dollars?quote:I'm a democrat, wtf is a job?
Do any of yall cock knockers have jobs?
quote:The smartest people on texags don't care about stuff like that.
Hey, did y'all know the Texas Accupuncture Board is run by the Texas Medical Board? 'Tis true
quote:Hey now. That wasn't nice.
I'm aware of the idiocy of arguing with her.
Something probably helped him. It was more likely whatever powdered substance the tablet was made of than what the water was exposed to.
quote:She's going to debate that homeopathy is water.
Um, it's idiotic to argue with you because you refuse to ever see the other person's point of view. I didn't call you an idiot.
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They don't work for the average person. Think about a medical study for a second. There are usually two conditions. One condition is the control (usually a placebo or sham group) and the other is the treatment condition. Some kind of measure is used to assess severity of the problem before the treatment (or placebo) and then afterwards. They then compare the statistical deviations from average within and between the groups and arrive at an effective or not effective conclusion (significant or nonsignificant).
But think about that. It's based on the average scores in the group. If you look at individual scores on the assessment measures, some people got better, some got worse, and some didn't change at all. How do we explain the individuals who got worse or didn't change when they received a so-called effective treatment? It's not always obvious or immediately attributable to something known.
Back on topic, it may be possible that acupuncture is like chiropractic, lots of people that don't know what they're doing. I tend to think homeopathy is full of ****. But I won't sweepingly say that in all cases all homeopathy is ineffective. There may be an example of where one works and it is legitimate.
quote:quote:What do you mean I am unwilling to listen to reason.quote:I actually do like Tanya most of the time. She is unwilling to listen to reason on this subject and that's fine. No need for defensiveness, I'm not out to attack anybody. Just posted an article and defended my point of view.
These MFers love the **** out of you Tanya
I simply said it worked for my son.
That is all.
You are the people telling me it was just a placebo effect for a 7 month old.
quote:quote:Can you explain to me why orajel didn't work and those did?
For you, that anecdote is all you need. I guess there is no reason to continue this discussion.
How does the placebo work for a 7 month old when I spent a week using conventional medicine trying to settle him down?
What did you use for your teething infant, especially at night?
quote:And just to be clear...quote:quote:Can you explain to me why orajel didn't work and those did?
For you, that anecdote is all you need. I guess there is no reason to continue this discussion.
How does the placebo work for a 7 month old when I spent a week using conventional medicine trying to settle him down?
What did you use for your teething infant, especially at night?
You could argue that the oragel did work, dumdum. Perhaps your kids pain would have been worse than if you hadn't used it. It's basically impossible to say for sure in your n=1 sized study... Which is why scientists, doctors, etc. devote their lives to answering these kinds of questions for you. And the verdict is in. Homeopathy is worthless. Sorry you wasted your family's money.
quote:quote:And just to be clear...quote:quote:Can you explain to me why orajel didn't work and those did?
For you, that anecdote is all you need. I guess there is no reason to continue this discussion.
How does the placebo work for a 7 month old when I spent a week using conventional medicine trying to settle him down?
What did you use for your teething infant, especially at night?
You could argue that the oragel did work, dumdum. Perhaps your kids pain would have been worse than if you hadn't used it. It's basically impossible to say for sure in your n=1 sized study... Which is why scientists, doctors, etc. devote their lives to answering these kinds of questions for you. And the verdict is in. Homeopathy is worthless. Sorry you wasted your family's money.
To the extent the homeopathic folks screwed up and actually left the poison IN, they could kill your kid.
Mind you, that would be the result of them fouling up there own formula. But it could happen.
quote:Or I asked his doctor.quote:quote:And just to be clear...quote:quote:Can you explain to me why orajel didn't work and those did?
For you, that anecdote is all you need. I guess there is no reason to continue this discussion.
How does the placebo work for a 7 month old when I spent a week using conventional medicine trying to settle him down?
What did you use for your teething infant, especially at night?
You could argue that the oragel did work, dumdum. Perhaps your kids pain would have been worse than if you hadn't used it. It's basically impossible to say for sure in your n=1 sized study... Which is why scientists, doctors, etc. devote their lives to answering these kinds of questions for you. And the verdict is in. Homeopathy is worthless. Sorry you wasted your family's money.
To the extent the homeopathic folks screwed up and actually left the poison IN, they could kill your kid.
Mind you, that would be the result of them fouling up there own formula. But it could happen.
True.
The reason I get so amped up with stuff like this is because people like Tanya spout off about what a great mom she is because she was willing to do whatever it took to help her kid. In reality, it's nothing more than sheer laziness on her part. She didn't actually turn her brain on to think. She didn't ask herself the actual relevant questions like "what's causing this condition? What can I do to prevent it? If I can't prevent it, should I treat it? If I can treat it, is the treatment proven to be both safe and effective? Why?" And if she didn't ask the questions, she certainly didn't bother researching to see what the answers would be.
How do I know these things about Tanya (and I'm not just picking on her; the Jenny Mcarthys of the world have just about taken over)? Because she fed her son these fake pills. You'd have literally been better off throwing your family's money directly in the trash. At least trash-money is easily proven to not kill anyone.
But feel free to continue passing yourself off as super mom.
quote:quote:Or I asked his doctor.quote:quote:And just to be clear...quote:quote:Can you explain to me why orajel didn't work and those did?
For you, that anecdote is all you need. I guess there is no reason to continue this discussion.
How does the placebo work for a 7 month old when I spent a week using conventional medicine trying to settle him down?
What did you use for your teething infant, especially at night?
You could argue that the oragel did work, dumdum. Perhaps your kids pain would have been worse than if you hadn't used it. It's basically impossible to say for sure in your n=1 sized study... Which is why scientists, doctors, etc. devote their lives to answering these kinds of questions for you. And the verdict is in. Homeopathy is worthless. Sorry you wasted your family's money.
To the extent the homeopathic folks screwed up and actually left the poison IN, they could kill your kid.
Mind you, that would be the result of them fouling up there own formula. But it could happen.
True.
The reason I get so amped up with stuff like this is because people like Tanya spout off about what a great mom she is because she was willing to do whatever it took to help her kid. In reality, it's nothing more than sheer laziness on her part. She didn't actually turn her brain on to think. She didn't ask herself the actual relevant questions like "what's causing this condition? What can I do to prevent it? If I can't prevent it, should I treat it? If I can treat it, is the treatment proven to be both safe and effective? Why?" And if she didn't ask the questions, she certainly didn't bother researching to see what the answers would be.
How do I know these things about Tanya (and I'm not just picking on her; the Jenny Mcarthys of the world have just about taken over)? Because she fed her son these fake pills. You'd have literally been better off throwing your family's money directly in the trash. At least trash-money is easily proven to not kill anyone.
But feel free to continue passing yourself off as super mom.
quote:Good try!quote:quote:Or I asked his doctor.quote:quote:And just to be clear...quote:quote:Can you explain to me why orajel didn't work and those did?
For you, that anecdote is all you need. I guess there is no reason to continue this discussion.
How does the placebo work for a 7 month old when I spent a week using conventional medicine trying to settle him down?
What did you use for your teething infant, especially at night?
You could argue that the oragel did work, dumdum. Perhaps your kids pain would have been worse than if you hadn't used it. It's basically impossible to say for sure in your n=1 sized study... Which is why scientists, doctors, etc. devote their lives to answering these kinds of questions for you. And the verdict is in. Homeopathy is worthless. Sorry you wasted your family's money.
To the extent the homeopathic folks screwed up and actually left the poison IN, they could kill your kid.
Mind you, that would be the result of them fouling up there own formula. But it could happen.
True.
The reason I get so amped up with stuff like this is because people like Tanya spout off about what a great mom she is because she was willing to do whatever it took to help her kid. In reality, it's nothing more than sheer laziness on her part. She didn't actually turn her brain on to think. She didn't ask herself the actual relevant questions like "what's causing this condition? What can I do to prevent it? If I can't prevent it, should I treat it? If I can treat it, is the treatment proven to be both safe and effective? Why?" And if she didn't ask the questions, she certainly didn't bother researching to see what the answers would be.
How do I know these things about Tanya (and I'm not just picking on her; the Jenny Mcarthys of the world have just about taken over)? Because she fed her son these fake pills. You'd have literally been better off throwing your family's money directly in the trash. At least trash-money is easily proven to not kill anyone.
But feel free to continue passing yourself off as super mom.
In one ear, out the other. Pass the buck to the doc to whom you likely said "hey, you think I could try these water pills out? I can't take another night of having to listen to him cry."
I would expect no less from a lib such as yourself.
quote:Who, again, probably THOUGHT they were just water because that's what homeopathy is supposed to be.quote:Or I asked his doctor.quote:quote:And just to be clear...quote:quote:Can you explain to me why orajel didn't work and those did?
For you, that anecdote is all you need. I guess there is no reason to continue this discussion.
How does the placebo work for a 7 month old when I spent a week using conventional medicine trying to settle him down?
What did you use for your teething infant, especially at night?
You could argue that the oragel did work, dumdum. Perhaps your kids pain would have been worse than if you hadn't used it. It's basically impossible to say for sure in your n=1 sized study... Which is why scientists, doctors, etc. devote their lives to answering these kinds of questions for you. And the verdict is in. Homeopathy is worthless. Sorry you wasted your family's money.
To the extent the homeopathic folks screwed up and actually left the poison IN, they could kill your kid.
Mind you, that would be the result of them fouling up there own formula. But it could happen.
True.
The reason I get so amped up with stuff like this is because people like Tanya spout off about what a great mom she is because she was willing to do whatever it took to help her kid. In reality, it's nothing more than sheer laziness on her part. She didn't actually turn her brain on to think. She didn't ask herself the actual relevant questions like "what's causing this condition? What can I do to prevent it? If I can't prevent it, should I treat it? If I can treat it, is the treatment proven to be both safe and effective? Why?" And if she didn't ask the questions, she certainly didn't bother researching to see what the answers would be.
How do I know these things about Tanya (and I'm not just picking on her; the Jenny Mcarthys of the world have just about taken over)? Because she fed her son these fake pills. You'd have literally been better off throwing your family's money directly in the trash. At least trash-money is easily proven to not kill anyone.
But feel free to continue passing yourself off as super mom.
quote:quote:Good try!quote:quote:Or I asked his doctor.quote:quote:And just to be clear...quote:quote:Can you explain to me why orajel didn't work and those did?
For you, that anecdote is all you need. I guess there is no reason to continue this discussion.
How does the placebo work for a 7 month old when I spent a week using conventional medicine trying to settle him down?
What did you use for your teething infant, especially at night?
You could argue that the oragel did work, dumdum. Perhaps your kids pain would have been worse than if you hadn't used it. It's basically impossible to say for sure in your n=1 sized study... Which is why scientists, doctors, etc. devote their lives to answering these kinds of questions for you. And the verdict is in. Homeopathy is worthless. Sorry you wasted your family's money.
To the extent the homeopathic folks screwed up and actually left the poison IN, they could kill your kid.
Mind you, that would be the result of them fouling up there own formula. But it could happen.
True.
The reason I get so amped up with stuff like this is because people like Tanya spout off about what a great mom she is because she was willing to do whatever it took to help her kid. In reality, it's nothing more than sheer laziness on her part. She didn't actually turn her brain on to think. She didn't ask herself the actual relevant questions like "what's causing this condition? What can I do to prevent it? If I can't prevent it, should I treat it? If I can treat it, is the treatment proven to be both safe and effective? Why?" And if she didn't ask the questions, she certainly didn't bother researching to see what the answers would be.
How do I know these things about Tanya (and I'm not just picking on her; the Jenny Mcarthys of the world have just about taken over)? Because she fed her son these fake pills. You'd have literally been better off throwing your family's money directly in the trash. At least trash-money is easily proven to not kill anyone.
But feel free to continue passing yourself off as super mom.
In one ear, out the other. Pass the buck to the doc to whom you likely said "hey, you think I could try these water pills out? I can't take another night of having to listen to him cry."
I would expect no less from a lib such as yourself.
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You have a really poor understanding of how study design works, and acting like you know what you're talking about is harmful.
