shack009 said:
They also just won a game by 4 points where Luka and Kyrie scored 27 total points.
I appreciate your approach to analyzing the game, but sometimes just watching helps too. We are better than them.
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and makes him hateable outside of Dallas. It really hurts his marketability. He'll be fine of course, but I hope he matures past that garbage.Proposition Joe said:
Yeah, there's little doubt Luka is banged up, but he absolutely amplifies the theatrics. Wouldn't be a big deal but in doing so he... I'd say routinely... surrenders defensive position.
And if it was getting him calls maybe you could say doing so is a net positive, but from what I've watched he's not getting any love from the refs.
I don't care about it...just shocked that he seemingly doesn't. The fact that it hurts the team is a given...guaranteed it pisses off the team. So, for team reasons and his own selfish/personal reasons, makes no sense at all.PatAg said:
Why would you care about his marketbality at all? Is that going to help us win a title?
Completely agree about anything on court when it comes to negatively impacting plays, and that he needs to at least complain less and especially not stop during an active play. (or at least do it WAY less, so that way when you DO complain the refs might be impacted by it)
If it results in quitting on a play thats bad
He doesnt even have to completely stop complaining, he just needs more self control.zgolfz85 said:I don't care about it...just shocked that he seemingly doesn't. The fact that it hurts the team is a given...guaranteed it pisses off the team. So, for team reasons and his own selfish/personal reasons, makes no sense at all.PatAg said:
Why would you care about his marketbality at all? Is that going to help us win a title?
Completely agree about anything on court when it comes to negatively impacting plays, and that he needs to at least complain less and especially not stop during an active play. (or at least do it WAY less, so that way when you DO complain the refs might be impacted by it)
If it results in quitting on a play thats bad
Proposition Joe said:
Yeah, there's little doubt Luka is banged up, but he absolutely amplifies the theatrics. Wouldn't be a big deal but in doing so he... I'd say routinely... surrenders defensive position.
And if it was getting him calls maybe you could say doing so is a net positive, but from what I've watched he's not getting any love from the refs.
The drive where Dort kicked out his plant leg from behind?nbbob said:Proposition Joe said:
Yeah, there's little doubt Luka is banged up, but he absolutely amplifies the theatrics. Wouldn't be a big deal but in doing so he... I'd say routinely... surrenders defensive position.
And if it was getting him calls maybe you could say doing so is a net positive, but from what I've watched he's not getting any love from the refs.
He got some love on the drive where he slipped that resulted in him missing the first ft with 10 seconds left.
At least its really enjoyable to read people's complaints every time Luka complains in game.mavsfan4ever said:
Good post. I analogize playing with (and watching) Luka to playing in a golf tournament with a buddy who constantly gripes, complains, gets angry, etc about EVERYTHING. It's a ****ing beating to to play with a buddy like that even if he's playing well bc he's still zapping all the fun out of it. And then when things turn, which they always will at some point, it's just unbearable. He goes downhill quickly and makes the mood/atmosphere terrible for all around him.
Luka has that affect to me watching him. He honestly zaps some of the enjoyment out of the game bc I just get so frustrated with his complaining and antics. It seems like it would definitely frustrate the other players, especially when he's *****ing at them or the refs when he's clearly at fault. I know they usually seem to have good chemistry so I assume Luka is cool off the court and maybe that's enough to not let the on the court stuff bother the other players. But it's a major leak in my opinion.
It's like Luka is ocd or has a tick and his tick is that he literally has to look at and complain tot he ref every single play. He does it every play, whether he makes the shot or misses the shot, and whether he was possibly fouled or where there was nothing close to resembling a foul.
I play golf for fun, so I don't want someone dragging down the mood even if we aren't playing well. It's still better than being in the office. I also watch the mavs for fun. And it's not fun watching Luka whine and complain every play. Really wish he'd stop.
Looked like he figured it out in the second half. I don't have the actual minutes available, but I don't think Giddey started the 2nd half and he only came in one time and it wasn't for very long. Somehow, Giddey was +6 last night, which was tied for best on the team with Arkansas J Will. So that's weird lol.M.C. Swag said:
Lol and I STILL don't understand what Dageinault is doing playing Giddey. The Thunder likely win this series in 5 or 6 if Giddey never plays. Hope the "Coach of the Year' continues to make that dumb decision.
mavsfan4ever said:
Good post. I analogize playing with (and watching) Luka to playing in a golf tournament with a buddy who constantly gripes, complains, gets angry, etc about EVERYTHING. It's a ****ing beating to to play with a buddy like that even if he's playing well bc he's still zapping all the fun out of it. And then when things turn, which they always will at some point, it's just unbearable. He goes downhill quickly and makes the mood/atmosphere terrible for all around him.
Luka has that affect to me watching him. He honestly zaps some of the enjoyment out of the game bc I just get so frustrated with his complaining and antics. It seems like it would definitely frustrate the other players, especially when he's *****ing at them or the refs when he's clearly at fault. I know they usually seem to have good chemistry so I assume Luka is cool off the court and maybe that's enough to not let the on the court stuff bother the other players. But it's a major leak in my opinion.
It's like Luka is ocd or has a tick and his tick is that he literally has to look at and complain tot he ref every single play. He does it every play, whether he makes the shot or misses the shot, and whether he was possibly fouled or where there was nothing close to resembling a foul.
I play golf for fun, so I don't want someone dragging down the mood even if we aren't playing well. It's still better than being in the office. I also watch the mavs for fun. And it's not fun watching Luka whine and complain every play. Really wish he'd stop.
Something funny that has happened a couple times this series is Dort will finally get called for getting a little too handsy and then he will complain to the referee saying that shouldn't have been a foul because he's been doing that same thing all game.EastSideAg2002 said:
I cant really stand Luka's complaining either. Its a huge turnoff for me in watching him. Its probably really amping him up this series in the fact that Dort can have his way with him but if SGA gets breathed on, hes going to the line.
Yeah Dort had both arms around Luka before the ball was even inbounded. Josh Green got called for extremely minimal contact during an inbounds play I think in the 3rd quarter, but if you're Dort, you are allowed to do whatever and whenever.DannyDuberstein said:
That was definitely the case on the late Luka foul. Dort was grabbing him before Luka even had the ball, while he had the ball, and then when Luka finally goes down and gets the whistle, Dort is like "wtf?"
I think where it most shows up is scenarios where he has to react in the moment and quickly move. When he is defending one on one, or has the ball on offense, he essentially knows where he is moving.shack009 said:
Luka also had some really really good defensive possessions. He doesn't look injured or play up the injury on that end. It's only on the offensive end when something doesn't go his way that he shows his booboo.
The good news is that everytime he had one of these stinker games in the last series he came out in the next game more aggressive and getting downhill and in to the paint.
shack009 said:
Random topic for discussion on an off day: What value does O-Max bring to the Mavs? This has been on my mind because I have noticed that he has been listed as "out" on all the injury reports for the games, even though he played in the final 2 of the regular season. Not that I was expecting him to play this postseason, it has just always caught my eye.
He averaged 18.3 PPG in the G League on 12.5 FGA and he shot 42.5% from 3 on 5.3 3PA (shot 57% from 2). I know nobody plays defense in the G League, but that 3P% is really encouraging.
Is he a guy that can develop and heavily contribute to the team in the future? Seems like he plays the same position as PJ. This team's identity is now that we are a big team with 2 centers who can play 48 minutes. Not sure there is room for an OMax-PJ small ball frontcourt. So do you keep him to be PJ's backup for small stretches and as depth/insurance in case of PJ injury? Maybe there are times in the regular season where PJ and OMax as your frontcourt will be necessary.
Do you feel comfortable with him being able to take all of the Maxi minutes to make Maxi available for trade?
Does he have value to other young teams as a trade piece? Does he add value in a THJ+picks trade?
Just some stuff I have been thinking about. Either way, more props to the front office for taking on the Richaun Holmes contract and taking a FRP off of Sacramento's hands and drafting OMax, because we have many options with him.
Those are both things that would be impacted by a knee injury.jeffdjohnson said:
I don't think Luka's knee sprain is solely the reason for his poor play. He is moving around OK out there. Yes, maybe it physically hurts him, but he is still out there and still mobile enough. I think mentally he is letting all of the circumstances surrounding these playoffs (his injury, the physicality of the opponents, fewer foul calls by the refs, missing some of these floaters around the rim) just get in his head.
I mean his floater game has been a god tier shot his whole career and he can't even get that to go down, let alone the step back. I don't see Dort or OKC doing anything better than what other teams have thrown at him, he is just missing in this series and the whole playoffs. I guess we'll see soon enough if he can pull through this. I don't think the Mavericks can win the series without Luka being the best player on the court. Forget SGA even, Luka hasn't been the best player on the Mavs behind PJ and Kyrie.
I love OMax. He's HUGE. 6'8 with shoes and a 7'1 wingspan (same size as PJ). He has great lateral mobility and has shown pretty great signs of life on that 3pt shot and if that's sustainable he can easily play the 3 or the 4 next to PJ or Kleber.shack009 said:
Random topic for discussion on an off day: What value does O-Max bring to the Mavs? This has been on my mind because I have noticed that he has been listed as "out" on all the injury reports for the games, even though he played in the final 2 of the regular season. Not that I was expecting him to play this postseason, it has just always caught my eye.
He averaged 18.3 PPG in the G League on 12.5 FGA and he shot 42.5% from 3 on 5.3 3PA (shot 57% from 2). I know nobody plays defense in the G League, but that 3P% is really encouraging.
Is he a guy that can develop and heavily contribute to the team in the future? Seems like he plays the same position as PJ. This team's identity is now that we are a big team with 2 centers who can play 48 minutes. Not sure there is room for an OMax-PJ small ball frontcourt. So do you keep him to be PJ's backup for small stretches and as depth/insurance in case of PJ injury? Maybe there are times in the regular season where PJ and OMax as your frontcourt will be necessary.
Do you feel comfortable with him being able to take all of the Maxi minutes to make Maxi available for trade?
Does he have value to other young teams as a trade piece? Does he add value in a THJ+picks trade?
Just some stuff I have been thinking about. Either way, more props to the front office for taking on the Richaun Holmes contract and taking a FRP off of Sacramento's hands and drafting OMax, because we have many options with him.
I hope you're right. We still have moves to make this offseason, so who knows what this team's roster looks like by the start of next season or after the trade deadline. Hope both Hardy and OMax are pieces for us next year.M.C. Swag said:
I fully expect him to have a full time spot in the rotation next year
