It is, but it's what happens when you decide to follow the World and not the Word.dermdoc said:
This is so sad.
It is, but it's what happens when you decide to follow the World and not the Word.dermdoc said:
This is so sad.
Windy City Ag said:Quote:
Unfortunately UMC is taking a lot of assets with them.
At least in Dallas, many of the wealthiest and most financially sustainable Methodist churches are sticking with the UMC.
Highland Park United Methodist is probably the most prosperous, followed by Lovers Lane. They have been pushed by the UMC North Texas conference over the years to absorb or prop up smaller failing churches. St.Andrews in Plano did bolt.
White's Chapel out in Southlake has already bolted but for whatever reason avoid the GMC as well, trying its own separate approach. It is a mega-church so they can definitely get away with it. They style themselves as centrist.
I am not sure how Houston went. Maybe different there. I knew the Woodlands UMC was also pretty much a mega-church and disaffilaited.
And before that, PCPC broke off from HPPC because PCUSA wasn't conservative enough and HPPC didn't want to split at the time..The Chicken Ranch said:
That's interesting because Highland Park Presbyterian was an early mover to the ECO. They are probably the wealthiest Presbyterian Church in Texas.
Park Cities Presbyterian (PCPC) split from HPPC and went to PCA in the early-90s. While HPPC was one of the biggest conservative churches within PCUSA, many saw the writing on the wall.The Chicken Ranch said:
I'm not familiar with PCPC. I'm not from North Texas, so you'll have to spell it out.
Are they EPC or PCA? At some point the ECO and EPC will likely merge. We are already in covenant with each other.
The PCUSA was never conservative, but it had conservative churches. They became openly hostile to conservative churches, just like the UMC did. Hence the split. The UMC-GMC split is just 15 years behind the Presbyterians.
as did First Presbyterian Houston. Had to sue PCUSA in court to take all the property.The Chicken Ranch said:
That's interesting because Highland Park Presbyterian was an early mover to the ECO. They are probably the wealthiest Presbyterian Church in Texas.
Kingwood is also home to a very good and stable ECO Presbyterian Church.
St Luke's Houston stayed - it's now a liberal mess of a church. Sad because not 20 years ago it was a mainline tall steeple conservative congregation.Windy City Ag said:Quote:
Unfortunately UMC is taking a lot of assets with them.
At least in Dallas, many of the wealthiest and most financially sustainable Methodist churches are sticking with the UMC.
Highland Park United Methodist is probably the most prosperous, followed by Lovers Lane. They have been pushed by the UMC North Texas conference over the years to absorb or prop up smaller failing churches. St.Andrews in Plano did bolt.
White's Chapel out in Southlake has already bolted but for whatever reason avoid the GMC as well, trying its own separate approach. It is a mega-church so they can definitely get away with it. They style themselves as centrist.
I am not sure how Houston went. Maybe different there. I knew the Woodlands UMC was also pretty much a mega-church and disaffilaited.
The Chicken Ranch said:
That's interesting because Highland Park Presbyterian was an early mover to the ECO. They are probably the wealthiest Presbyterian Church in Texas.
Kingwood is also home to a very good and stable ECO Presbyterian Church.
AgLiving06 said:The Chicken Ranch said:
That's interesting because Highland Park Presbyterian was an early mover to the ECO. They are probably the wealthiest Presbyterian Church in Texas.
Kingwood is also home to a very good and stable ECO Presbyterian Church.
I'm somewhat surprised they didn't go independent. They are or were pretty big in size back in the day when I went.
But maybe they went GMC just to keep more unity with others.
MAROON said:as did First Presbyterian Houston. Had to sue PCUSA in court to take all the property.The Chicken Ranch said:
That's interesting because Highland Park Presbyterian was an early mover to the ECO. They are probably the wealthiest Presbyterian Church in Texas.
Kingwood is also home to a very good and stable ECO Presbyterian Church.
A lot of the actual believers at St. Luke's are at The Story. Their pastor Eric Huffman is awesome. And that church is thriving. We are thinking about joining. Our current church lost its youth pastor and that's a must for us.MAROON said:St Luke's Houston stayed - it's now a liberal mess of a church. Sad because not 20 years ago it was a mainline tall steeple conservative congregation.Windy City Ag said:Quote:
Unfortunately UMC is taking a lot of assets with them.
At least in Dallas, many of the wealthiest and most financially sustainable Methodist churches are sticking with the UMC.
Highland Park United Methodist is probably the most prosperous, followed by Lovers Lane. They have been pushed by the UMC North Texas conference over the years to absorb or prop up smaller failing churches. St.Andrews in Plano did bolt.
White's Chapel out in Southlake has already bolted but for whatever reason avoid the GMC as well, trying its own separate approach. It is a mega-church so they can definitely get away with it. They style themselves as centrist.
I am not sure how Houston went. Maybe different there. I knew the Woodlands UMC was also pretty much a mega-church and disaffilaited.
Yep. They are thriving. They bought Bethany Church next to Lamar High School. They will outgrow St Luke's in no time.MAROON said:
yes - they're no longer at St Luke's which basically evicted The Story from their property. The Story was essentially St Luke's contemporary service at one-time.
They fall all over themselves and still can't get it right.TresPuertas said:
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