what does everyone think?
It wouldn't surprise me that the tour allows tiger to use an illegal ball
It wouldn't surprise me that the tour allows tiger to use an illegal ball
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The GOAT doesn't need a special ball to win. What did he use when he won 3 US amateurs? What about his Masters as a 21 year old? If he is/was using a cheater ball, I'd think he'd be able to get one that finds the fairway, or that finds the bottom of the cup from 10ft out.
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"Everything I said on that radio interview was only my opinion and not based on any first-hand knowledge or facts," Olsen told ESPN. "I want to make a full retraction to everything I said for the entire radio interview, and I apologize to Tiger, Nike, Phil [Mickelson], [commissioner] Tim Finchem and the PGA Tour."
"I'll be looked at as just some crazy f*** nobody making accusations about Tiger," Olsen added.
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there's enough smoke around Tiger and PEDs and other people associated with PEDs to stop immediately dismissing stuff like this.
remember one of the looniest, shadiest pieces of ****, Canseco, broke the baseball PEDs story wide open.
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I am certain of two things.
1. Tiger used steroids, hormones, or whatever PED he could.
2. This guy is just some blowhard.
quote:true, they definitely went about it in different ways. i'm guessing this guy has heard stuff and got shut down by lawyers.quote:
there's enough smoke around Tiger and PEDs and other people associated with PEDs to stop immediately dismissing stuff like this.
remember one of the looniest, shadiest pieces of ****, Canseco, broke the baseball PEDs story wide open.
I agree with the first part, but I don't think the Canseco comparison is that valid. Canseco didn't just let it slip on a small time radio show, he went all-in in a very public way and I don't remember him ever backing off his claims, ever.
It was a long time ago so maybe I'm remembering it wrong, but these two situations seem pretty different to me.
Don't disagree with the first part, though. I don't think Tiger is a juicer or ever was a juicer, but at this point it wouldn't surprise me if I was wrong.
quote:no, not just Tiger fans. all fans. fact is these guys like the fame, the like the money and they have the attitude of winning at nearly any cost. so, they find reasons to justify whatever it is.
Especially Tiger fans, right? In 2009 I was really shocked to hear that Tiger was a cheater in the marital sense. After all that saga, there's not much I could find out about the dude that would shock me. So if we were to find out that he was lying and cheating on the golf course then how could that be a shocking revelation? I'm sure there's lots of people who "just couldn't believe it" if we ever found out that was true.
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I am certain of two things.
1. Tiger used steroids, hormones, or whatever PED he could.
2. This guy is just some blowhard.
You should write a book.
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That guy most definitely got contacted by Tiger's lawyers. If I was Tiger, I would still sue his ass.
quote:Yeah, Nike would never do anything shady regarding golf balls..
Makes perfect sense... Nike risks their $84B reputation by supplying TW with illegal equipment and running the risk of being uncovered.
All for what? So Tiger can pound illegal golf balls OB? So Joe Golf Fan can pick one up and turn it over to TMZ to be thoroughly analyzed? Not likely.
quote:quote:Yeah, Nike would never do anything shady regarding golf balls..
Makes perfect sense... Nike risks their $84B reputation by supplying TW with illegal equipment and running the risk of being uncovered.
All for what? So Tiger can pound illegal golf balls OB? So Joe Golf Fan can pick one up and turn it over to TMZ to be thoroughly analyzed? Not likely.
http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/story?id=100737
quote:There is clearly some truth to the fact that lots of guys put their hands on prototypes that haven't been sanctioned for use. That being said, I don't think the manufacturer's would run the risk of allowing that stuff inside the ropes. There is a lot of commotion made when Phil changes putters 3 times in one week, even more when someone is putting a new driver in play. I just think it would be too heavily scrutinized to get away with it. (Unless the PGA tour is somehow in the know, which I guess can't be altogether dismissed as a possibility)
I don't think it would hurt Nike at all to supply Tiger with equipment that doesn't meet tour standards and would bet that they have done so. They can always fall back on "We provided Tiger with tour approved clubs and balls, the non-regulation equipment in question was made for practice and research."
Has he used this type of stuff on tour? I don't know, but it wouldn't surprise me if lots of big name guys did this kind of thing.
quote:Not even relevant. That's just false advertising.quote:Yeah, Nike would never do anything shady regarding golf balls..
Makes perfect sense... Nike risks their $84B reputation by supplying TW with illegal equipment and running the risk of being uncovered.
All for what? So Tiger can pound illegal golf balls OB? So Joe Golf Fan can pick one up and turn it over to TMZ to be thoroughly analyzed? Not likely.
http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/story?id=100737
quote:quote:Not even relevant. That's just false advertising.quote:Yeah, Nike would never do anything shady regarding golf balls..
Makes perfect sense... Nike risks their $84B reputation by supplying TW with illegal equipment and running the risk of being uncovered.
All for what? So Tiger can pound illegal golf balls OB? So Joe Golf Fan can pick one up and turn it over to TMZ to be thoroughly analyzed? Not likely.
http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/story?id=100737
There's nothing in that article that said Nike provided Tiger with non-conforming golf balls. Nike just got busted for promoting a golf ball that he doesn't even use on the course.
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I never said it had anything to do with creating an illegal golf ball. He brought up reputational risk and I pointed out that Nike has shown to be willing to expose themselves to reputational risk and is has already done so around golf balls it manufactures.
quote:Sorry, I didn't mean to derail the thread. I don't read the issue the same as you do. This wasn't a case where a tour pro that plays ProV1s shot a commercial endorsing NXT Tours. Nike seemed to knowingly set out on a campaign to pitch the ball as "the ball used by Tiger Woods" when they knew that the actual ball he used is made solely for him and not available to anyone else. To me that is different than the scenarios you are describing (i.e. being paid to endorse a product in general) and was a knowingly shady act.quote:
Standard operating procedure for these companies. It's like Blake Griffin endorsing Kia Motors. He probably has one hidden in his garage but I doubt he goes cruising around LA in it.