Maroon Dawn said:

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Sad but true

The complete lack of any consequences for Democrats lying, stealing and trampling the constitution just makes me certain we are headed for a massive collapse as a country and the only solution is get out of the big blue cities, move to a rural community as far away as possible and make your family as self sufficient as possible and watch leftism collapse into its self made black hole

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Of course, trying to predict the specific crisis that will tip things over the edge is always a fool's errand in his case, de Toqueville could hardly know that some fairly insignificant political banquets would be the thing that ended up setting France on fire but once the tinder is stacked to the ceiling, all it takes is a spark. Today, just as during de Toqueville's time, many people still take some comfort in pointing out that people, however dissatisfied they may be, are still "just" grumbling about it over the kitchen table. But that sense of safety is illusory at best.

Survivors of tsunamis point out that before the wave actually hits, the water dramatically pulls back and recedes from the shore. And when that happens, one doesn't have long to run away. For human societies entering periods of chaos, history shows a fairly similar dynamic: an increasing number of citizens choose to retreat. They stop serving and caring; they become sullen, uncooperative and uninterested in coming to society's aid. This is not a problem of morals, nor a situation that is helped by blaming the young. Instead, the withdrawal of the people, just like the withdrawal of the shoreline, is a sign that a tsunami is approaching.

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Crocker91 said:

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"Thus, we find ourselves in a situation that has much in the way of historical precedent: an insulated, out-of-touch ruling class protected from the ill effects of its own policies, and a general population that is sullenly withdrawing from public service and both mentally and physically "checking out"."

Fascinating read. Why the West will refuse to fight: citizens won't sacrifice themselves. What say you, TexAgs analysts?

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In September 1939, a Gallup poll asked Americans whether the United States should enter WWII in defense of England, France, and China. 90% percent of respondents said "No." 42% felt the U.S. should not supply Britain and France with war materials.

People tend to oppose a cause that "doesn't affect them" until it kicks their door in. Part of it is having two oceans, and part of it was the inability to understand just how power-hungry the Reich was. As Gladwell famously put it, people tend to want to believe that people make decisions based on what we consider rational. When war takes place, the rational is already gone.

A sizeable, but not the majority, of people felt that ceding portions of Poland and Czechoslovakia to Hitler would bring about the end of the war.

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Except back then, the overwhelming majority of Americans valued our country, believed it stood for something good, and cared about it. Once we were legitimately attacked, Americans gladly stood ready to defeat our enemies. Today, there are an increasing number of Americans who support our enemies over our own country and want to see the United States taken down a peg or two. They do not believe in our founding principles and want to bring in third world ideas to transform it into the very authoritarian mindset we see in other nations that seek to control their people.

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There were significant pro-Communist and pro-fascist movements in the U.S. during this era. The "America First Committee", a group of isolationist pro-Nazi peeps, was 10x larger than the current Democratic Socialists of America. Communist Party membership, although much smaller, still had about 75k members in the lead up to WWII. The famed Madison Square Garden standoff between the Bund and New Yorkers was not cordial.

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Tarponfly said:

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I'm checked out. The GOP is now a flaming dumpster fire, the population of the country is more divided than at any time in our history, save for the 1860's and early 1970s. We have two absolutely abysmal presidential candidates and the country continues to spend money like a drunk hooker while gaslighting the nation on television about how fabulous the economy actually is...

Yep. Checked out.

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Tarponfly said:

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I'm checked out. The GOP is now a flaming dumpster fire, the population of the country is more divided than at any time in our history, save for the 1860's and early 1970s. We have two absolutely abysmal presidential candidates and the country continues to spend money like a drunk hooker while gaslighting the nation on television about how fabulous the economy actually is...

Yep. Checked out.

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schmellba99 said:

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I can completely buy into the "mentally and physically checking out" aspect.

I have a life to live. Work, home, wife, kids, school, bills, etc. etc. etc. Frankly, I don't have the time or the energy to constantly fight. I"m running out of any desire to be involved in politics outside of going to vote during election times. I think most people are that way, especially at a time like we are now where the dollar doesn't go as far and there is infinitely more added stress just because it seems we all work harder for less and have to find ways to make that dollar go as far as we can.

I want to be left the F alone. That means with everything - my rights, my guns, my money, my daily life. Leave me the F alone with all of the crap. Leave my kids alone. You want to do stupid perv sht? Fine, do it with your stupid perv buddies behind closed doors, but outside of that - leave me and mine the F alone. It isn't a hard concept.

I believe most folks on the right feel the same way. Problem is that many on the left have the time and energy to continually try to F with everything they can in some twisted effort to justify their perverted view of life, or to write some perceived wrong they feel they had to endure and must have revenge for.

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Maroon Dawn said:

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Sad but true

The complete lack of any consequences for Democrats lying, stealing and trampling the constitution just makes me certain we are headed for a massive collapse as a country and the only solution is get out of the big blue cities, move to a rural community as far away as possible and make your family as self sufficient as possible and watch leftism collapse into its self made black hole

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Maroon Dawn said:

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Sad but true

The complete lack of any consequences for Democrats lying, stealing and trampling the constitution just makes me certain we are headed for a massive collapse as a country and the only solution is get out of the big blue cities, move to a rural community as far away as possible and make your family as self sufficient as possible and watch leftism collapse into its self made black hole

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Crocker91 said:

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"Thus, we find ourselves in a situation that has much in the way of historical precedent: an insulated, out-of-touch ruling class protected from the ill effects of its own policies, and a general population that is sullenly withdrawing from public service and both mentally and physically "checking out"."

Fascinating read. Why the West will refuse to fight: citizens won't sacrifice themselves. What say you, TexAgs analysts?

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flakrat said:

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Maroon Dawn said:

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Sad but true

The complete lack of any consequences for Democrats lying, stealing and trampling the constitution just makes me certain we are headed for a massive collapse as a country and the only solution is get out of the big blue cities, move to a rural community as far away as possible and make your family as self sufficient as possible and watch leftism collapse into its self made black hole

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At some point the media will cease to be useful idiots and will be cast out and cancelled. Perhaps at that point we'll see a reversal where the media begins to report the truth.

It'll probably be too late at that point.

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Americans, just like Westerners in general, are checking out and refusing to do their "duty" towards rulers who have seemingly abandoned any notion of giving them anything in return. The centuries come and go, but these basic social dynamics are as true now as they were in the ancient world: the less valuable citizenship becomes, the less people are willing to stand up and fight for it.

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BassCowboy33 said:

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Crocker91 said:

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"Thus, we find ourselves in a situation that has much in the way of historical precedent: an insulated, out-of-touch ruling class protected from the ill effects of its own policies, and a general population that is sullenly withdrawing from public service and both mentally and physically "checking out"."

Fascinating read. Why the West will refuse to fight: citizens won't sacrifice themselves. What say you, TexAgs analysts?

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In September 1939, a Gallup poll asked Americans whether the United States should enter WWII in defense of England, France, and China. 90% percent of respondents said "No." 42% felt the U.S. should not supply Britain and France with war materials.

People tend to oppose a cause that "doesn't affect them" until it kicks their door in. Part of it is having two oceans, and part of it was the inability to understand just how power-hungry the Reich was. As Gladwell famously put it, people tend to want to believe that people make decisions based on what we consider rational. When war takes place, the rational is already gone.

A sizeable, but not the majority, of people felt that ceding portions of Poland and Czechoslovakia to Hitler would bring about the end of the war.

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Artorias said:

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I am focused on setting up my family to be as self sufficient and responsible as possible to insulate ourselves against the self destructive path this country is barreling down. I have zero interest in sending my kids to some ****hole country to fight and die to enrich the MIC or our "leaders" for "muh democracy". If the homeland is physically invaded, that is another story.

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The Chicken Ranch said:

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The greatest threat this county has ever faced is the elitist white liberal. And someday we will have to fight them. They are in our family, our church, our civic groups and next door to us. It will be a sad day, and I'm just not sure we have to will to fight our neighbors, family and friends even if they are the enemy.

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schmellba99 said:

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I can completely buy into the "mentally and physically checking out" aspect.

I have a life to live. Work, home, wife, kids, school, bills, etc. etc. etc. Frankly, I don't have the time or the energy to constantly fight. I"m running out of any desire to be involved in politics outside of going to vote during election times. I think most people are that way, especially at a time like we are now where the dollar doesn't go as far and there is infinitely more added stress just because it seems we all work harder for less and have to find ways to make that dollar go as far as we can.

I want to be left the F alone. That means with everything - my rights, my guns, my money, my daily life. Leave me the F alone with all of the crap. Leave my kids alone. You want to do stupid perv sht? Fine, do it with your stupid perv buddies behind closed doors, but outside of that - leave me and mine the F alone. It isn't a hard concept.

I believe most folks on the right feel the same way. Problem is that many on the left have the time and energy to continually try to F with everything they can in some twisted effort to justify their perverted view of life, or to write some perceived wrong they feel they had to endure and must have revenge for.

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TRADUCTOR said:

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I am going to befriend a little dog that can talk and wander around the wasteland directed verbally by what dog smells I've specified.

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