Been reading up on it. Personal visual woundings. One person had an epileptic event just prior to the woundings. Really curious about this as am familiar with what most would call paranormal activity via a Catholic gf (mainly her younger sister). I can share about this, and I trust nobody will take offense if we dive off the deep end here? If it does...we can just self terminate this thread. I do need to take the time to look over the articles provided by 89.PabloSerna said:
Which item/phenomena are you referring to?
Can you offer some examples of what that public revelation might have been? Since then, perhaps some examples of private revelation?PabloSerna said:
I'm sure it says it there somewhere, but just so you know all public revelation ended with the death of the last apostle. So anything since is understood as private revelation.
Interesting. Do you feel this event was truly legit?PabloSerna said:
The Apostle Peter publicly states that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of the living God. After which Jesus tells him that this revelation he had was not revealed by any person, but by God alone.
A very famous Marian apparition at Lourdes, France in 1858 to a 14 year old girl in which the Virgin Mary revealed to the girl that she was the Immaculate Conception is an example in which a prior truth was confirmed through a private revelation. This young girl had no idea what that title meant, but it was a theological truth about the nature of the Mother of God.
What is RCC...forgive me here. What are your feelings regarding the "Miracle" at Fatima? Would you be open to considering that event at least, may have had it's source in something not included in any church dogma? As far as I am aware. Also, this apparent crack down on things "paranormal"...does this new set of rules etc. alter the dogma related to these better known "apparitions"?PabloSerna said:
Both are dogma in the RCC. Yes, I do profess this faith.
Yes, there is data showing the event really did happen and involved the 3 children you mentioned, but the truth (I believe based on the results of the many other projects) regarding the who and how of the event are not what has been portrayed. Evidently, it was no miracle. Do I like it...as a Christian, I do not. I truly believe the Vatican probably knows and is currently preparing people for big changes. Just reading the tea-leaves as they say. The crackdown is just part of the video title I linked as this threads OP.PabloSerna said:
RCC = Roman Catholic Church (Vatican City)
The miracle at Fatima witnessed by thousands, wonderful movies for reference, was a private revelation to three children who were given "messages" for the Holy Father to read. These all have been made public and revolve around the consecration of Russia.
The church's official opinion is what I share, that the apparitions are "worthy of belief."
Not sure what you mean by "crack down" - the church is repeating what it has always said about public and private revelation- that is why I posted that point. Some people think that the Virgin Mary is making new declarations and she is not if she is indeed appearing at all. Why would Mary contradict anything coming out of Rome? That would only be the work of the devil who has the same capability to appear to people (interestingly with the approval of God).
As for the image of Mary on a tree or tortilla, if it leads people to God- as the saying goes, God works in mysterious ways. At some point though you have to let go of the feather and take a leap of faith.
1561 perhaps? Nuremburg? This event was also a target for the research team. Some EXTREMELY interesting data was collected. The data changes everything if the sect is viewing this as something spiritual. I'll just leave it at that.PabloSerna said:
There was a bigger apparition that happened in 1531 that took 223 years for papal recognition. Church moves slow.
The "truth" as you say is nothing new. That should be your first clue. Remember that nothing new has been revealed since the death of the last Apostle. So, no amount of "data" will change anything. HTH
The data suggests that extraterrestrials (alien beings) were/are responsible for creating, implementing and maintaining 4 of the major religions here. Judaism, Christianity, Islam and most recently Buddhism. I have heard/seen that phrase Men who talk to Goats. Only here on TA oddly. Have no idea the origin of that. The linked documentary is very well done. Then we have evidence such as this which would seem to support the data results:PabloSerna said:
I saw a trailer for a movie, "Men who talk to Goats" - is that related?
On another point, it would seem that you are inferring that aliens, not the Holy Spirit, is guiding the church- do I read that right?