Unvaccinated account for 97% of new infections in Seattle area

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In reply to dermdoc • 8:47p, 6/10/21
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I didn't get the notion that the poster you were referencing was talking about vaccine availability. There are other reasons people cannot get COVID-19 vaccines like allergy to a vaccine components, age <12 (for now). And a low percentage of patients are vaccine non-responders.

That's why it's important all people who are able to get it....do get it. So we can reach herd immunity.

The article quoted in the OP makes a convincing argument to get it.
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In reply to gunan01 • 8:49p, 6/10/21
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gunan01 said:
I didn't get the notion that the poster you were referencing was talking about vaccine availability. There are other reasons people cannot get COVID-19 vaccines like allergy to a vaccine components, age <12 (for now). And a low percentage of patients are vaccine non-responders.

That's why it's important all people who are able to get it....do get it. So we can reach herd immunity.

The article quoted in the OP makes a convincing argument to get it.
I think the vaccines work well.
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8:50p, 6/10/21
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And you know I actually never fired anybody. Owned my own business since 1990 and never fired anyone.
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In reply to dermdoc • 8:52p, 6/10/21
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Yes I do too. But extrapolating data from more established vaccines, there are always a small percent of patients that are non-responders. Of course we don't have that data for the mRNA vaccines yet. And the antibody tests for COVID-19 have poor sensitivity and specificity at this point.
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In reply to dermdoc • 8:53p, 6/10/21
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Ya that's good bull. I was just needling you.
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In reply to gunan01 • 8:55p, 6/10/21
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And that is the rub. There is no way to tell about immunity either short term or long from the vaccine.
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In reply to gunan01 • 8:56p, 6/10/21
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gunan01 said:
Ya that's good bull. I was just needling you.
Good on you.
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In reply to NASAg03 • 10:20p, 6/10/21
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waitwhat? said:
gunan01 said:
50% is wrong. Maybe the poster mistyped? Maybe he was engaging in some internet grandiosity?

Most studies show 10-20% of post-COVID patients are long-haulers. What, if any, permanent effects they have from the virus remains to be seen.
Some studies say that about 10% of symptomatic COVID cases experience so called "long COVID." The symptoms that make up "long COVID" are things like fatigue, sleeplessness, sense of taste/smell not coming back fully, anxiety, etc. Things that can't be clinically diagnosed/proven, and they rely on self-reporting from people.

So, the actually correct statement would be "some studies say that about 10% of symptomatic COVID patients self-report minor symptoms months later."

I'll chalk them up to attention seekers, thanks.
Majority of the 10% were probably already unhealthy and had those underlying symptoms BEFORE covid, but now blame covid for making their symptoms worse or more noticeable. And many "long-covid" symptoms can be chalked up to policy effects (stress, decreased activity, decreased vitamin D, unhealthy eating) and not necessarily the virus itself.


I think it's just in their heads and I think the evidence of that is the number of people reporting the symptoms go away after they get the vaccine.

They're convinced long Covid is real and surely they'll get it if they're infected, so then when they're infected their worst nightmare comes true and they have "long Covid."

Then they hear the vaccine cures these issues and they get the jab and boom, the symptoms are gone. Despite there being no logical reason for the vaccine to end them.

Anxiety is a hell of a drug. When I was 28 or so I became convinced I was on the verge of a heart attack. Chest tightness, high blood pressure, elevated pulse, heart palpitations, the works. It was so bad I went to a doctor and was checked out, told I was fine, and bloodwork came back to show I had particularly high levels of good cholesterol and particularly low levels of bad cholesterol. I not only wasn't even close to a heart attack, I was healthy as a horse. Never had any issues after that visit.

The mind is powerful and can create symptoms, and these "long Covid" folks are creating symptoms in their head.
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In reply to gunan01 • 10:29p, 6/10/21
gunan01 said:
Yes I do too. But extrapolating data from more established vaccines, there are always a small percent of patients that are non-responders. Of course we don't have that data for the mRNA vaccines yet. And the antibody tests for COVID-19 have poor sensitivity and specificity at this point.


Care to source this? I've been asking people for weeks, maybe months now how many people can't get vaccinated against Covid and nobody is willing to answer it. The CDC and FDA have approved them for virtually everyone over 12 with any underlying issue, history of allergy, etc.

WHO can't get vaccinated against Covid, and HOW MANY people are we talking about?

These should be basic public health questions. I have no expertise in medicine or public health and even I can see that.
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3:42a, 6/11/21
I think the lingering COVID symptoms is definitely a real thing for a number of those that have it but it's insignificant. I would definitely get the vaccine just to avoid being sick and the possibility of these long haul symptoms. I had a real bad virus back when I was young and had lingering vertigo for months afterwards until it finally went away. I had some issues post surgery that a doctor told me "was in my mind" and then I saw a specialist and he told me it was legit and gave a legitimate phyiscal explanation for it. It did "get back to normal" but it wasn't "all in my mind."

But I'm not going to throw around unproven numbers like 50% or 10-20% without any substance behind the argument.

The brain fog and anxiety sounds like BS but the fever/tiredness/fatigue seems legit.
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In reply to GiveEmHellBill • 4:03p, 6/15/21
GiveEmHellBill said:
HowdyTexasAggies said:
wbt5845 said:
This is just simple math. And these people are welcome to not get the vaccine and take the risk.


What's the risk?
There's a 99.95% chance they'd survive......
It's actually better than that


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In reply to DukeMu • 4:52p, 6/15/21
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DukeMu said:
tomtomdrumdrum said:
I wonder why we don't see these cavalier attitudes in the other current threads about people losing their loved ones to covid. Or in response to doctors like Marcus who post abour seeing terrible outcomes for their covid patients. Y'all might as well be saying directly to them, "well it was their choice, get over it."

It's like y'all just wanna find a place to flex in front of each other for blue stars. Everyone knows the statistics, you don't have to keep repeating them. And you certainly don't have to act like this disease is "nothing" when the stories of it being terrible for some are right here in front of you.
Not to mention that 50% of asymptomatic COVID patients have long-term lung, heart, or brain damage. The cardiac changes are like decades of aging.

How this affects someone in 10, 20, 30 years is unknown.

Getting herd immunity's worth of vax reduces the risk of variants being generated that aren't protected by the vaccines...although there's a decent chance booster shots can stay ahead. The newer variants are more contagious, virulent, and affecting younger people.

Roll the dice... w/e I got mine months ago.
Still no link.
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In reply to DukeMu • 6:43p, 6/15/21
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DukeMu said:
tomtomdrumdrum said:
I wonder why we don't see these cavalier attitudes in the other current threads about people losing their loved ones to covid. Or in response to doctors like Marcus who post abour seeing terrible outcomes for their covid patients. Y'all might as well be saying directly to them, "well it was their choice, get over it."

It's like y'all just wanna find a place to flex in front of each other for blue stars. Everyone knows the statistics, you don't have to keep repeating them. And you certainly don't have to act like this disease is "nothing" when the stories of it being terrible for some are right here in front of you.
Not to mention that 50% of asymptomatic COVID patients have long-term lung, heart, or brain damage. The cardiac changes are like decades of aging.

How this affects someone in 10, 20, 30 years is unknown.

Getting herd immunity's worth of vax reduces the risk of variants being generated that aren't protected by the vaccines...although there's a decent chance booster shots can stay ahead. The newer variants are more contagious, virulent, and affecting younger people.

Roll the dice... w/e I got mine months ago.


Ten people starred this? Can any of you who agree with this post a link to the 50% number since Duke won't?
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In reply to dermdoc • 7:01p, 6/15/21
dermdoc said:
DukeMu said:
tomtomdrumdrum said:
I wonder why we don't see these cavalier attitudes in the other current threads about people losing their loved ones to covid. Or in response to doctors like Marcus who post abour seeing terrible outcomes for their covid patients. Y'all might as well be saying directly to them, "well it was their choice, get over it."

It's like y'all just wanna find a place to flex in front of each other for blue stars. Everyone knows the statistics, you don't have to keep repeating them. And you certainly don't have to act like this disease is "nothing" when the stories of it being terrible for some are right here in front of you.
Not to mention that 50% of asymptomatic COVID patients have long-term lung, heart, or brain damage. The cardiac changes are like decades of aging.

How this affects someone in 10, 20, 30 years is unknown.

Getting herd immunity's worth of vax reduces the risk of variants being generated that aren't protected by the vaccines...although there's a decent chance booster shots can stay ahead. The newer variants are more contagious, virulent, and affecting younger people.

Roll the dice... w/e I got mine months ago.
Still no link.
If it makes you feel better, I'm still waiting on anyone on any site or social media I frequent to explain who can't get a covid vaccine.
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