U.S. to pause J&J vaccine

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Rare blood clots occurring 2 weeks after vaccination

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/13/us/politics/johnson-johnson-vaccine-blood-clots-fda-cdc.html
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Great, I got 11 days to live
BrokeAssAggie
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Well go live up to your user name!!
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If not taking a vaccine saves just one life it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make. Just happy to be able to do my part to help out.
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coolerguy12 said:

If not taking a vaccine saves just one life it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make. Just happy to be able to do my part to help out.


Read your post wrong
AgLiving06
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Wife was supposed to get it tomorrow, so good timing.

Cancelled and got her an appointment through Memorial Hermann on Thursday. They have tons of openings.

It's the Pfizer shot.
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Parents in late 60s got it last month. Brother got it Sunday. I'm sure today will be a **** show at the clinic since we were distributing J&J and Moderna
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6 cases out of 7 million vaccines? Better chance of getting clots from the rona I bet. No dog in this hunt and to each their own, but that is basically a non statistic at this point. Not faulting the pause, but regardless if deemed "safe" later, J&J vaccine is finished...no one will be getting that one now.
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So, has someone whose wife took the vaccine what are the signs of a blood clot. She had it one week ago
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Anyone know if these 6 cases are fairly recent?

I got the J&J more than a month ago so I'm not worried but I am wondering if something changed with the vaccine to cause this issue now...as far as I know, the US is still getting it from overseas...
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6 cases out of 6.8 million shots. Lloyd Christmas likes his odds of getting blood clots.

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Before everyone panics too much, the annual incidence of DVTs in the United States is about 1 per 1000 adults (higher if you look at just women, especially those on birth control).

So 6 cases out of 7 million vaccinated people, especially with all being reproductive age women, is not a particularly striking number and the two are likely unrelated. Worth looking into but the way it's being reported is just more media fear porn without the full context.
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I agree with you that it's being blown way out of proportion. Fear porn works both ways. But if it's unrelated shouldn't we see similar numbers on the other vaccines? Why is it only being seen/reported on J&J?
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So assuming you're one of those lucky few this would happen to, what are the warning signs you should look out for?
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All of the J&J blood clots have been in women in the mid-40's and younger. 6 cases out of ~7 million doses given is less than 1 million. Sounds like they should adjust the recommended recipients to those age groups that have a greater than 1 in 1 million chance of dying from COVID.
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More terrible messaging from the government. This "overabundance of caution" is going to create more hesitancy in people and not just in the J&J vaccine, it'll translate to the others as well. 6 blood clots out of 7 million doses, this is an overreaction...
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nhamp07 said:

So, has someone whose wife took the vaccine what are the signs of a blood clot. She had it one week ago
Not a doctor, but...

Symptoms of DVT include:
  • Leg pain or tenderness
  • Leg Swelling
  • Redness or red streaks on the legs

If she has any of those, go see a doc so they can do a D-dimer test.

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Infection_Ag11 said:

Before everyone panics too much, the annual incidence of DVTs in the United States is about 1 per 1000 adults (higher if you look at just women, especially those on birth control).

So 6 cases out of 7 million vaccinated people, especially with all being reproductive age women, is not a particularly striking number and the two are likely unrelated. Worth looking into but the way it's being reported is just more media fear porn without the full context.


The better question is, why pause a vaccine for this kind of low incidence. Are we getting the full story here? Viagra is more deadly than this.

I got J and J shot on Sunday I felt like crap all of yesterday. I certainly would have chosen something else but this is just ridiculous and will throw gasoline on the fires of doubt.
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CDub06 said:

More terrible messaging from the government. This "overabundance of caution" is going to create more hesitancy in people and not just in the J&J vaccine, it'll translate to the others as well. 6 blood clots out of 7 million doses, this is an overreaction...


Should we believe it's just 6 cases? This doesn't make any sense.
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Worth looking into but the way it's being reported is just more media fear porn without the full context.


don't have to blame the media on this one
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Things seem to be going too well in Texas and Florida
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the public health messaging is a f---ing disaster
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Not a doctor and I don't want to disagree with the medical professional who just commented, but from what I'm reading..

My understanding is that these clots are different than those from DVT, with different symptoms and apparently a different way of treating them. If that isn't the case, I'm happy to delete my comment...seriously, not trying to start an argument.

I also am curious of the millions of J&J vaccines administered, how many specifically to that age group of women where the clotting issues have occurred. Looking at the whole number is fine in terms of overall risk for all ages and genders, but if this does seem to only be occurring in women, I think it's more beneficial to identify that number for those slated to get it.

Lastly, to answer another question, from what I'm reading, these clotting incidences are occurring 6-13 days post-vaccine.

As someone who is pro-vaccine and already fully vaccinated (and a woman in said age group), not trying to scare off anyone here. I just think being as transparent as possible is the best way to go. If I were still needing to get vaccinated, I would probably not go with J&J only because 1) my risk of serious COVID in general is low, and 2) Pfizer/Moderna availability is pretty high anyway, 3) I agree with some other medical professionals that the booster aspect of the mRNA vaccines gives me more confidence in lasting immunity/protection.
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Here is the FDA press release

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/joint-cdc-and-fda-statement-johnson-johnson-covid-19-vaccine

As of April 12, more than 6.8 million doses of the Johnson & Johnson (Janssen) vaccine have been administered in the U.S. CDC and FDA are reviewing data involving six reported U.S. cases of a rare and severe type of blood clot in individuals after receiving the J&J vaccine. In these cases, a type of blood clot called cerebral venous sinus thrombosis (CVST) was seen in combination with low levels of blood platelets (thrombocytopenia).

All six cases occurred among women between the ages of 18 and 48, and symptoms occurred 6 to 13 days after vaccination. Treatment of this specific type of blood clot is different from the treatment that might typically be administered. Usually, an anticoagulant drug called heparin is used to treat blood clots. In this setting, administration of heparin may be dangerous, and alternative treatments need to be given.
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hoosierAG said:

6 cases out of 7 million vaccines? Better chance of getting clots from the rona I bet. No dog in this hunt and to each their own, but that is basically a non statistic at this point. Not faulting the pause, but regardless if deemed "safe" later, J&J vaccine is finished...no one will be getting that one now.
Well, that's exactly how COVID has been for over a year. Everything under a microscope and amplified to make it seem much worse. Honestly, I'm glad to finally see some consistency. I'm confident you could find similar issues with a very small percentage of people for pretty much every vaccine/medicine that people take, but the difference is those instances aren't broadcast across the media.
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PearlJammin said:

Infection_Ag11 said:

Before everyone panics too much, the annual incidence of DVTs in the United States is about 1 per 1000 adults (higher if you look at just women, especially those on birth control).

So 6 cases out of 7 million vaccinated people, especially with all being reproductive age women, is not a particularly striking number and the two are likely unrelated. Worth looking into but the way it's being reported is just more media fear porn without the full context.


The better question is, why pause a vaccine for this kind of low incidence. Are we getting the full story here? Viagra is more deadly than this.

I got J and J shot on Sunday I felt like crap all of yesterday. I certainly would have chosen something else but this is just ridiculous and will throw gasoline on the fires of doubt.
You could ask the same for why schools are still closed, why colleges are requiring students be tested, or why businesses (in some states) are still not able to open.
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KlinkerAg11
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It almost feels like they don't want it to end.
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KlinkerAg11 said:

It almost feels like they don't want it to end.
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CrazyRichAggie said:

Rare blood clots occurring 2 weeks after vaccination

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/13/us/politics/johnson-johnson-vaccine-blood-clots-fda-cdc.html
6 people put of 6 million. I am glad they paused but let's not over react
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coolerguy12 said:

I agree with you that it's being blown way out of proportion. Fear porn works both ways. But if it's unrelated shouldn't we see similar numbers on the other vaccines? Why is it only being seen/reported on J&J?
J&J has been given at greater rates to younger people.
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FDA could have narrowed the label rather than pause it completely

just make it only for able-bodied men. ladies just get the good stuff until the issue is resolved.

ridiculous
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I am glad they paused but let's not over react
i can't see why anyone should be glad about a full cessation

we are just crippled by our inability to deal with risk
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cone said:

FDA could have narrowed the label rather than pause it completely

just make it only for able-bodied men. ladies just get the good stuff until the issue is resolved.

ridiculous
Well, there's quite the pickle with the world we're currently living in.
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question

what proportion of the women in the blood clot group were on the pill?
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