SIAP Surface Cleaning NYT Article

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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/08/health/coronavirus-hygiene-cleaning-surfaces.html

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"Finally," said Linsey Marr, an expert on airborne viruses at Virginia Tech. "We've known this for a long time and yet people are still focusing so much on surface cleaning." She added, "There's really no evidence that anyone has ever gotten Covid-19 by touching a contaminated surface."

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"This should be the end of deep cleaning," Dr. Allen said, noting that the misplaced focus on surfaces has had real costs. "It has led to closed playgrounds, it has led to taking nets off basketball courts, it has led to quarantining books in the library. It has led to entire missed school days for deep cleaning. It has led to not being able to share a pencil. So that's all that hygiene theater, and it's a direct result of not properly classifying surface transmission as low risk."

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DeangeloVickers said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/08/health/coronavirus-hygiene-cleaning-surfaces.html

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"Finally," said Linsey Marr, an expert on airborne viruses at Virginia Tech. "We've known this for a long time and yet people are still focusing so much on surface cleaning." She added, "There's really no evidence that anyone has ever gotten Covid-19 by touching a contaminated surface."

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"This should be the end of deep cleaning," Dr. Allen said, noting that the misplaced focus on surfaces has had real costs. "It has led to closed playgrounds, it has led to taking nets off basketball courts, it has led to quarantining books in the library. It has led to entire missed school days for deep cleaning. It has led to not being able to share a pencil. So that's all that hygiene theater, and it's a direct result of not properly classifying surface transmission as low risk."


When we look back we will see that so much of what we did was so unnecessary and yet nothing was really done to reassure people that certain things were in fact safe. I get that this was novel but we also knew that surfaces were safe back in May or June last year yet that was never emphasized. Hopefully now companies and start to save time and not clean every surface and schools do not need to ruin books b/c they have to be disinfected after every touching.
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This has been pretty robustly demonstrated since last summer.
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cisgenderedAggie said:

This has been pretty robustly demonstrated since last summer.


That's the point..this narrative of the NYT it's just now "letting it out of the bag"
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Believe the science
Another Doug
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DeangeloVickers said:

cisgenderedAggie said:

This has been pretty robustly demonstrated since last summer.


That's the point..this narrative of the NYT it's just now "letting it out of the bag"

NYT is reporting what the CDC updated guidelines says. Even the article from today says this is something that has been known for a while. They have also run articles on the subject matter along the way.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/14/health/disinfectant-coronavirus.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/22/health/cdc-coronavirus-touching-surfaces.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/18/world/asia/covid-cleaning.html


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Capitol Ag said:

DeangeloVickers said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/08/health/coronavirus-hygiene-cleaning-surfaces.html

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"Finally," said Linsey Marr, an expert on airborne viruses at Virginia Tech. "We've known this for a long time and yet people are still focusing so much on surface cleaning." She added, "There's really no evidence that anyone has ever gotten Covid-19 by touching a contaminated surface."

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"This should be the end of deep cleaning," Dr. Allen said, noting that the misplaced focus on surfaces has had real costs. "It has led to closed playgrounds, it has led to taking nets off basketball courts, it has led to quarantining books in the library. It has led to entire missed school days for deep cleaning. It has led to not being able to share a pencil. So that's all that hygiene theater, and it's a direct result of not properly classifying surface transmission as low risk."


When we look back we will see that so much of what we did was so unnecessary and yet nothing was really done to reassure people that certain things were in fact safe. I get that this was novel but we also knew that surfaces were safe back in May or June last year yet that was never emphasized. Hopefully now companies and start to save time and not clean every surface and schools do not need to ruin books b/c they have to be disinfected after every touching.
the biggest problem in all this was the focus on NOVEL. "Novel coronavirus" was a specific label used before it's genomic sequence was determined and compared to other coronaviruses. At that point, the name was changed to SARS-CoV2 because it is really close to SARS-CoV (97% similarity at the protein level). The WHO, in their infinite wisdom, didn't want to call the disease SARS2 so they came up with the meaningless COronaVIrusDisease (COVID) label and the world ran with it and treats "novel" as meaning some sort of virus that is totally unique in all of human experience. I have seen people dismiss scientific papers from before 2020 about fundamental aspects of coronaviruses because they used SARS-CoV and not SARS-CoV2. This whole thing has been insane.

And the assume it doesn't work like everything else until you prove it does is ridiculous. We literally had to have proof that the immune system works on COVID like the immune system works for everything else before we could all get behind the idea that immunity to a virus means you don't get infected and can't spread the virus. Somehow, that "novel" label was going to alter the way the immune system works. Just nuts.
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Another Doug said:

DeangeloVickers said:

cisgenderedAggie said:

This has been pretty robustly demonstrated since last summer.


That's the point..this narrative of the NYT it's just now "letting it out of the bag"

NYT is reporting what the CDC updated guidelines says. Even the article from today says this is something that has been known for a while. They have also run articles on the subject matter along the way.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/14/health/disinfectant-coronavirus.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/22/health/cdc-coronavirus-touching-surfaces.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/18/world/asia/covid-cleaning.html



So what you are saying is the CDC came out with disinfection theatre guidelines, possible based on lack of knowledge and not just complete BS, and left them in place for months even after the science proved the assumptions those guidelines were based on were false, and are only now revising the guidelines as the government begins to unwind the theater so we can get back to "normal".

I'll leave, as an exercise for the reader, theories about personal or political motivations of the people who have essentially been lying to the American public for a year.

And people wonder why the US public has very little trust in the government.
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Except the CDC acknowledged this exact topic last May, and it was widely reported .
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This is yet another example that it isn't always correct that in a crisis you "have to do something". Sometimes doing nothing is the right thing.
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Another Doug said:

Except the CDC acknowledged this exact topic last May, and it was widely reported .
Was it?

Fauci was up there in the summer telling people to sanitize their groceries and pizza delivery boxes.
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AG 2000' said:

Another Doug said:

Except the CDC acknowledged this exact topic last May, and it was widely reported .
Was it?

Fauci was up there in the summer telling people to sanitize their groceries and pizza delivery boxes.

And in a recent (past couple of months) briefing at the White House, they had someone sanitize the podium before each speaker.

So of course my organization sees that and assumes we must continue sanitizing podiums between speakers as well.

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AG 2000' said:

Another Doug said:

Except the CDC acknowledged this exact topic last May, and it was widely reported .
Was it?

Fauci was up there in the summer telling people to sanitize their groceries and pizza delivery boxes.
It was written in plain English on the CDC site, was used as a source for many articles from all sorts of publications, and I have read Fauci saying similar things dating back to early in the pandemic.
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"Let your food delivery sit on your porch for at least 15-30 minutes before you touch it".

Um, no I'll eat now.
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Another Doug said:

AG 2000' said:

Another Doug said:

Except the CDC acknowledged this exact topic last May, and it was widely reported .
Was it?

Fauci was up there in the summer telling people to sanitize their groceries and pizza delivery boxes.
It was written in plain English on the CDC site, was used as a source for many articles from all sorts of publications, and I have read Fauci saying similar things dating back to early in the pandemic.

Maybe so, but if the White House is going to make it appear that sanitizing a podium is necessary before a speaker and between speakers, then those optics become the message that the federal government is communicating to the populace.

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Tramp96 said:

Another Doug said:

AG 2000' said:

Another Doug said:

Except the CDC acknowledged this exact topic last May, and it was widely reported .
Was it?

Fauci was up there in the summer telling people to sanitize their groceries and pizza delivery boxes.
It was written in plain English on the CDC site, was used as a source for many articles from all sorts of publications, and I have read Fauci saying similar things dating back to early in the pandemic.

Maybe so, but if the White House is going to make it appear that sanitizing a podium is necessary before a speaker and between speakers, then those optics become the message that the federal government is communicating to the populace.


Yeah, white house re-tweeting demon sperm doctor saying "We have a cure" is much better optics. Heaven forbid we let the snowflakes see us sanitizing stuff.
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Fauci didn't say it until October.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/dr-fauci-says-dont-anymore-192038744.html

CDC site still recommends it if you go to the FAQ for home section.

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"This should be the end of deep cleaning," Dr. Allen said, noting that the misplaced focus on surfaces has had real costs. "It has led to closed playgrounds, it has led to taking nets off basketball courts, it has led to quarantining books in the library. It has led to entire missed school days for deep cleaning. It has led to not being able to share a pencil. So that's all that hygiene theater, and it's a direct result of not properly classifying surface transmission as low risk."
So from 1978 - 2020, I guess my 'hood was just getting ready in advance.
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chap said:

Fauci didn't say it until October.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/dr-fauci-says-dont-anymore-192038744.html

CDC site still recommends it if you go to the FAQ for home section.


Of course they recommend it. They likely will forever. They are a very typical government agency. Takes a second to implement a new rule or suggestion, takes years to come around to the idea of easing that up. If ever.

They may very well recommend masks the rest of our lives. Why not? But that doesn't mean it's reasonable or necessary.
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chap said:

Fauci didn't say it until October.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/dr-fauci-says-dont-anymore-192038744.html

CDC site still recommends it if you go to the FAQ for home section.


Except the other times he said similar things before then. As someone who lives with someone who is very much in tune to with what the CDC says to do for home and work, I would very much like to see this FAQ section.
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Another Doug said:

Except the CDC acknowledged this exact topic last May, and it was widely reported .
I'm not going to say you're wrong but I think it really depends on which webpage you're going to
From this CDC website: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/prevention.html
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Clean and disinfect


The link to the EPA website even details products/disinfectants that the EPA has designated 'kills covid"
https://www.epa.gov/sites/production/files/2020-12/documents/list_n_how-to_infographic_final_0.pdf
https://www.epa.gov/sites/production/files/2020-04/documents/disinfectants-onepager.pdf

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Yeah, the CDC put something out last May, but then they kind of walked it back a week or so later, basically saying that through surfaces isn't the primary way it is transmitted but it still can be transmitted that way, and we're still learning, so it is still recommended to disinfect surfaces.

Only last week did they loosen it up a bit and say regular cleaning with soap and water is sufficient. But they still recommend full disinfecting and wipedowns after the presence of someone who is Covid positive. Which communicates that they still believe that it is possible to transmit from surfaces.

I don't really have a gripe about how the CDC has handled this particular item. My only point is that the "We've known this for 11 months already - the CDC and Fauci have already been saying it" narrative just isn't true.

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chap said:

Yeah, the CDC put something out last May, but then they kind of walked it back a week or so later, basically saying that through surfaces isn't the primary way it is transmitted but it still can be transmitted that way, and we're still learning, so it is still recommended to disinfect surfaces.

Only last week did they loosen it up a bit and say regular cleaning with soap and water is sufficient. But they still recommend full disinfecting and wipedowns after the presence of someone who is Covid positive. Which communicates that they still believe that it is possible to transmit from surfaces.

I don't really have a gripe about how the CDC has handled this particular item. My only point is that the "We've known this for 11 months already - the CDC and Fauci have already been saying it" narrative just isn't true.


At the very least, the CDC and Fauci have been sending mixed messages. Say one thing here, say something else there.
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