AggieAuditor said:
Nope. It lives on my amazon packages for either 3 hours or maybe 7 days.
Squadron7 said:AggieAuditor said:
Nope. It lives on my amazon packages for either 3 hours or maybe 7 days.
Or two weeks.
Marcus Aurelius said:
Close contact exposure with an infected individual for >20 min remains highest risk.
cone said:
plus there's the super spread problem, where 80% of infections are supposedly emanating from 10% of the infected
on a further good note, masks, moderate social distancing, and large gathering cancellations should make this pretty manageable moving forward
biggest questions being how to open up while protecting the most vulnerable and how to deal with schools
Either. It is felt the highest risk of infectivity is 48 hrs prior to onset of symptoms.Keller6Ag91 said:Marcus Aurelius said:
Close contact exposure with an infected individual for >20 min remains highest risk.
When they're showing symptoms or asymptomatic?
Thank you. And do we know the amount of % of the populace that was asymptomatic and presumably couldn't pass it?Marcus Aurelius said:Either. It is felt the highest risk of infectivity is 48 hrs prior to onset of symptoms.Keller6Ag91 said:Marcus Aurelius said:
Close contact exposure with an infected individual for >20 min remains highest risk.
When they're showing symptoms or asymptomatic?
cone said:
plus there's the super spread problem, where 80% of infections are supposedly emanating from 10% of the infected
on a further good note, masks, moderate social distancing, and large gathering cancellations should make this pretty manageable moving forward
biggest questions being how to open up while protecting the most vulnerable and how to deal with schools
ramblin_ag02 said:
The main concern isn't what will happen to the kids. The main concern is that schools are breeding grounds for infectious illness. Our hospital and clinic see a dramatic drop-off in sick visits and admissions when school lets out every summer, and we see an uptick in both within a week of school restarting in August. We have linear growth, and most places can handle the volume of new cases. The curve is flat and the disease is progressing at mostly a slow burn. However, it's possible that reopening schools would be like throwing gasoline on that slow burn, and things might get out of hand.
Serious question: is the drop off in sick visits due to actual illness or that kids are willing to 'suck it up' so to speak during the summer months while their willing to miss school? Or maybe the flu and cold happen to coincide with the school year?ramblin_ag02 said:
The main concern isn't what will happen to the kids. The main concern is that schools are breeding grounds for infectious illness. Our hospital and clinic see a dramatic drop-off in sick visits and admissions when school lets out every summer, and we see an uptick in both within a week of school restarting in August. We have linear growth, and most places can handle the volume of new cases. The curve is flat and the disease is progressing at mostly a slow burn. However, it's possible that reopening schools would be like throwing gasoline on that slow burn, and things might get out of hand.
I don't think there is enough reliable data to make a blanket statement like "kids don't spread it". Why does a decision have to be made right now about schools just to make everyone feel better? Lots of older teachers in schools. I would love if kids can't pass it around. But I think we need more proof of that.jenn96 said:
Teachers can distance from each other a lot more easily than kids can. It will probably mean adjustments like no common break rooms, things like that but generally, kids don't seem to be passing this disease around. very curious to see that data as schools around the world open back up, but it is logical with the data we have now to open schools and have the adults in those schools spend less time together to prevent and slow any spread.
How many 60+ year old teachers do you know? The few at-risk teachers can teach proxy through a younger teacher's aid, and via a video screen with the students in the room.SkiMo said:
It's like everyone skips past the fact that there are teachers at school who aren't children.
You must've had a very different set of college professors than I did.Quote:
Same with college professors. They rarely teach directly anyway. It's usually TA's doing the work and directly interacting with students.
TXAggie2011 said:You must've had a very different set of college professors than I did.Quote:
Same with college professors. They rarely teach directly anyway. It's usually TA's doing the work and directly interacting with students.
I agree; there's not enough data yet. My comment was based on this article from Iceland, which is one of the most studied populations with extensive genetic tracking of the disease.SkiMo said:I don't think there is enough reliable data to make a blanket statement like "kids don't spread it". Why does a decision have to be made right now about schools just to make everyone feel better? Lots of older teachers in schools. I would love if kids can't pass it around. But I think we need more proof of that.jenn96 said:
Teachers can distance from each other a lot more easily than kids can. It will probably mean adjustments like no common break rooms, things like that but generally, kids don't seem to be passing this disease around. very curious to see that data as schools around the world open back up, but it is logical with the data we have now to open schools and have the adults in those schools spend less time together to prevent and slow any spread.
I added the bold but that line really got my attention. Granted it's just one study, but if it can be replicated it makes a huge difference because the idea of kids as transmission vectors for the adults in school can be managed, and the adults just have to be more careful with each other. Which they can do, they're adults. Add in the fact that women are less likely to get infected in the first place. What percentage of school teachers and administrators are women? 85%? It makes me feel a lot better about our ability to manage school openings and control outbreaks.Quote:
The clinical diversity of COVID-19 is another big question. Some people describe it as a mild cold. Others end up on a respirator and die.
Men are much more likely to become infected than women. If women get infected, they do not get as sick as men.
Children under 10 are less likely to get infected than adults and if they get infected, they are less likely to get seriously ill. What is interesting is that even if children do get infected, they are less likely to transmit the disease to others than adults. We have not found a single instance of a child infecting parents.
I understand. And agree if there are more studies out there that prove this is the case. I've read this article previously and was encouraged. But there needs to be more studies. And I don't think women are getting this disease less than men due to genetics. I think it's because (without being sexist) more men have continued to work in essential type roles such as construction, manufacturing, meat factories, etc. that open them up to more exposure. And many Latinos fall into this category which is why you see a higher % of cases among them vs. their % of the population.jenn96 said:I agree; there's not enough data yet. My comment was based on this article from Iceland, which is one of the most studied populations with extensive genetic tracking of the disease.SkiMo said:I don't think there is enough reliable data to make a blanket statement like "kids don't spread it". Why does a decision have to be made right now about schools just to make everyone feel better? Lots of older teachers in schools. I would love if kids can't pass it around. But I think we need more proof of that.jenn96 said:
Teachers can distance from each other a lot more easily than kids can. It will probably mean adjustments like no common break rooms, things like that but generally, kids don't seem to be passing this disease around. very curious to see that data as schools around the world open back up, but it is logical with the data we have now to open schools and have the adults in those schools spend less time together to prevent and slow any spread.
https://www.sciencemuseumgroup.org.uk/blog/hunting-down-covid-19/I added the bold but that line really got my attention. Granted it's just one study, but if it can be replicated it makes a huge difference because the idea of kids as transmission vectors for the adults in school can be managed, and the adults just have to be more careful with each other. Which they can do, they're adults. Add in the fact that women are less likely to get infected in the first place. What percentage of school teachers and administrators are women? 85%? It makes me feel a lot better about our ability to manage school openings and control outbreaks.Quote:
The clinical diversity of COVID-19 is another big question. Some people describe it as a mild cold. Others end up on a respirator and die.
Men are much more likely to become infected than women. If women get infected, they do not get as sick as men.
Children under 10 are less likely to get infected than adults and if they get infected, they are less likely to get seriously ill. What is interesting is that even if children do get infected, they are less likely to transmit the disease to others than adults. We have not found a single instance of a child infecting parents.