ArkyAg99 said:

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for the love of God. Clanga are hunting off speed. Throw a fastball in. So frustrating that the Ags dont want to challenge them inside.

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Sorry, I've drawn offsides.

AMEN!!! AMEN!!!

I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS ALL SEASON LONG AND PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ALL OVER ME FOR MY POSTS.

A pitcher must make the hitter uncomfortable. Not reckless, not dangerous uncomfortable. That 6 inches to a foot off the inside black is where you establish dominance, timing disruption, and doubt. If hitters can dive across the plate without fear, your entire arsenal shrinks. These hitters that are hit/grazed on the foot, arm, etc.; this is part of hitting and you just have to get out of the way. Again, players these days wear protective gear to prevent injury.

When your batters start getting hit in the upper torso and head areas, it's a totally different story.

BEFORE YOU REPLY SAYING RETALIATION IS WRONG and/or disagree, or maybe don't understand, please Bing or Google the following:

- "what is the philosophy on pitching inside in baseball"

- "what is the philosophy on pitching retaliation in baseball"

I've been saying after several of our players have been HIT IN THE HEAD that we need to retaliate after this type of play as a deterrence measure enforced on opposing teams. If you create the reputation as a pitching staff that establishes the inside portion of the plate as a high traffic area, you will see your pitching staff can get the outside corner pitches as called strikes more often because of this RESPECT (i.e., the hitter doesn't have to cover the inside portion of the hitting zone--the 6 inches to a foot inside).

Below is a cut-n-paste from an article
"This is how baseball has policed itself for 150 years.
Not by beanball wars.
Not by reckless revenge.
But by sending a clear message:

Quote:

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"If you endanger our hitters, we will reclaim the inside corner and you will feel it."

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That's not violence.
That's preventative baseball."

I know it's against the baseball rules (IF, they enforce--again how many games have our players missed or are adversely affected due to injury) and against our societal beliefs/ethics (again, I get it), but in competition sometimes the justification of retaliation is the only way you can bring PEACE (a deterrence) to your players, as they stop being targets for the opposing teams when their players start getting hit and/or pitched inside. Our pitchers hardly ever come inside on the opposing hitters. Please note, when we have their hitters in an 0-2 or 1-2 count, we seem to ALWAYS use the outside portion of the plate.

Getting hit, lets define this. What I'm saying our pitchers do is when retaliating, you are throwing at meaty/muscular portions (i.e., thighs, buttocks, below the torso area...) of the hitter where it doesn't injure the opposing hitter. However, it is blatantly obvious to the opposing team(s) (i.e., teams you will play later on your schedule) you are standing up for your players and will not tolerate.

Below is a cut-n-paste from the retaliation portion (from above), and to an extent I agree--EXCEPT WHEN OUR PLAYERS ARE BEING HIT, YOU RETALIATE.

"Core ethical framework
McAleer draws on Socratic ethics, which hold that one should never willingly do wrong, even in response to wrongdoing. Socrates argues that retaliating is not different from doing wrong, and that "antadikein" (returning a wrong) is itself a wrong bing.com. This aligns with pacifist and non-retaliatory moral traditions, such as those of Martin Luther King Jr. and Mohandas Gandhi."

From that same posting:
"Summary
From a philosophical standpoint, especially Socratic ethics, pitching retaliation is generally wrong because it is itself a wrong. The only conceivable exception is when the pitcher's team has been wrongfully harmed, but even then, the ethical justification is narrow and often outweighed by the sport's rules and norms."

I can understand your philosophy if you disagree, as the old saying "two wrongs don't make a right." (on a lighter matter, "however, three left turns do"). However, there are numerous other sayings/quotes as "The will to survive is not as important as the will to prevail... the answer to criminal aggression is retaliation."

Well said

Really

I have not watched all the college games this year but are pitchers actually tossed for throwing inside this year. I missed it.

It's not about retaliation to me. It's about what the OP stated. We need to not be so mechanical the other team has a good idea what the next pitch might be.

My suggestion is to throw away from their bat. Yet we don't have the control to do that either. Maybe if we aim for the bat?!?!?!

StinkyPinky said:

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My suggestion is to throw away from their bat. Yet we don't have the control to do that either. Maybe if we aim for the bat?!?!?!

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Well the bat might be behind their head when the pitch is thrown. So that would be throwing very inside.

BEAR!!!

ArkyAg99 said:

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for the love of God. Clanga are hunting off speed. Throw a fastball in. So frustrating that the Ags dont want to challenge them inside.

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StinkyPinky said:

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My suggestion is to throw away from their bat. Yet we don't have the control to do that either. Maybe if we aim for the bat?!?!?!

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I posted this elsewhere

Right now, SEC hitters step in the box against us knowing:

• They won't be moved off the plate
• They won't have to protect the inner third
• They can lean, dive, and extend without fear
• Our pitchers will live middle-away, especially in 0-2 and/or 1-2 counts

That is a dream scenario for a hitter knowing the pitcher NEVER COMES INSIDE.

When you never show inside not even six inches to a foot off the black hitters get to:

• Start their swing path early
• Cheat toward the outer half
• Cover breaking balls away
• Sit on anything soft

Not asking for headhunting; just asking our pitchers to force hitters to respect the entire plate--and then some regarding the six inches to a foot inside.

Lest we not forget Auburn drilled Laviolette in the SEC tournament last year and ended that run along with a bs call at first base that ended a rally and made sure coon asses won the game.