Is this because Jimbo's firing (I doubt it), a movement of funds to NIL, or burnout from lack of success? This would seem to be the latter but hoping all it means is reallocation of funds to NIL where it will make a much bigger difference
https://www.on3.com/college/texas-am-aggies/news/texas-am-12th-man-foundation-donations-drastically-fall-amid-jimbo-fisher-buyout/

I think it's most likely the shift to nil

I agree

trouble said:

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I think it's most likely the shift to nil

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NIL championships.

trouble said:

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I think it's most likely the shift to nil

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This, I'd guess the move to priority points for TAU donations caused a shift from TMF to TAU for discretionary donations (not donations required to buy tickets).

I think the big money donors are still gonna put up big money. And that's a critical component to fund raising. But I think there's a lot of folks like me, the average alum and donor. You might get a couple hundred from me every now and again, and those add up with the large alumni base we have. I will not contribute money to the abomination that college sports has become. I think that situation is going to create some big budget shortcomings for schools.

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I think the big money donors are still gonna put up big money. And that's a critical component to fund raising. But I think there's a lot of folks like me, the average alum and donor. You might get a couple hundred from me every now and again, and those add up with the large alumni base we have. I will not contribute money to the abomination that college sports has become. I think that situation is going to create some big budget shortcomings for schools.

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I think you are correct. Really hard to give money to kids who only care about money.

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I think the big money donors are still gonna put up big money. And that's a critical component to fund raising. But I think there's a lot of folks like me, the average alum and donor. You might get a couple hundred from me every now and again, and those add up with the large alumni base we have. I will not contribute money to the abomination that college sports has become. I think that situation is going to create some big budget shortcomings for schools.

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I shifted my tmf donations to a few different ministries I have supported over the years. I am sure I'm not the only one.

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ccolley68 said:

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I think the big money donors are still gonna put up big money. And that's a critical component to fund raising. But I think there's a lot of folks like me, the average alum and donor. You might get a couple hundred from me every now and again, and those add up with the large alumni base we have. I will not contribute money to the abomination that college sports has become. I think that situation is going to create some big budget shortcomings for schools.

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I think you are correct. Really hard to give money to kids who only care about money.

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Not applying judgement to your reasoning whatsoever. I hate what NIL and transfer portal have done to college sports.

But if contributions to NIL dry up, success will too.

perhaps by design...

between the athletic department and the 12th Man Foundation plus the NIL collective...

it's kind of hard to see the exact flow of money

hillcountryag86 said:

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dermdoc said:

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ccolley68 said:

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I think the big money donors are still gonna put up big money. And that's a critical component to fund raising. But I think there's a lot of folks like me, the average alum and donor. You might get a couple hundred from me every now and again, and those add up with the large alumni base we have. I will not contribute money to the abomination that college sports has become. I think that situation is going to create some big budget shortcomings for schools.

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I think you are correct. Really hard to give money to kids who only care about money.

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Not applying judgement to your reasoning whatsoever. I hate what NIL and transfer portal have done to college sports.

But if contributions to NIL dry up, success will too.

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So be it. We don't have any success to dry up anyways. I almost wish college sports would split, one group that wants to play by the new rules with all the NIL and what not, and the other the ones who want it back the way it was, where the players on the field were at least somewhat a 'student athlete' and not some mutant of what once was.

One of my daughters for some reason is a Yale fan (she's 10), and I will watch Yale games with her. Their games are a ton of fun to watch. There is no talk of portal, or NIL, or any of that crap. No one on the field has NFL aspirations. They are just leveraging their athletic prowess to give them the opportunity at an excellent education at a place they may otherwise have not been able to go to or afford. It's a damn breath of fresh air honestly.

And I got my MBA at SMU, and before they went all in on ACC and NIL and everything too, we liked to go watch them play Rice in Houston when they'd come to town, and for the same reasons. It was just football. Better quality than high school, but most weren't going to the next level, just getting a degree.

And seeing all the posts of J Lane and Reggie McNeal and others come back to A&M to get the degree this year they started on all those years ago as student athletes just reminds me what the point of all of it is/was, and what it's become today couldn't be further from that.

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I think the big money donors are still gonna put up big money. And that's a critical component to fund raising. But I think there's a lot of folks like me, the average alum and donor. You might get a couple hundred from me every now and again, and those add up with the large alumni base we have. I will not contribute money to the abomination that college sports has become. I think that situation is going to create some big budget shortcomings for schools.

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I think you are correct. Really hard to give money to kids who only care about money.

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Not applying judgement to your reasoning whatsoever. I hate what NIL and transfer portal have done to college sports.

But if contributions to NIL dry up, success will too.

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I am not giving up my NIL donations. It is just frustrating.

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ccolley68 said:

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I think the big money donors are still gonna put up big money. And that's a critical component to fund raising. But I think there's a lot of folks like me, the average alum and donor. You might get a couple hundred from me every now and again, and those add up with the large alumni base we have. I will not contribute money to the abomination that college sports has become. I think that situation is going to create some big budget shortcomings for schools.

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I think you are correct. Really hard to give money to kids who only care about money.

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Not applying judgement to your reasoning whatsoever. I hate what NIL and transfer portal have done to college sports.

But if contributions to NIL dry up, success will too.

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So be it.

There's plenty of other professional sports leagues to watch, if one is inclined.

Have we ever have sustained success in football or basketball?

i imagine what a conversation with Christ will go like when he shows all these millionaires the families that died in poverty and the NIL money they paid to 18 year old tatted hip hoppers so they could entertain.

Is it really that different than paying admission to the Colliseum to watch the Christians be fed to the lions?

We really havent come that far.

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I think the big money donors are still gonna put up big money. And that's a critical component to fund raising. But I think there's a lot of folks like me, the average alum and donor. You might get a couple hundred from me every now and again, and those add up with the large alumni base we have. I will not contribute money to the abomination that college sports has become. I think that situation is going to create some big budget shortcomings for schools.

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I think you are correct. Really hard to give money to kids who only care about money.

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Not applying judgement to your reasoning whatsoever. I hate what NIL and transfer portal have done to college sports.

But if contributions to NIL dry up, success will too.

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Where is this success you speak of?

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I think it's most likely the shift to nil

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Yup. The dynamics of college athletic funding has changed...

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I think the big money donors are still gonna put up big money. And that's a critical component to fund raising. But I think there's a lot of folks like me, the average alum and donor. You might get a couple hundred from me every now and again, and those add up with the large alumni base we have. I will not contribute money to the abomination that college sports has become. I think that situation is going to create some big budget shortcomings for schools.

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I think you are correct. Really hard to give money to kids who only care about money.

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Not applying judgement to your reasoning whatsoever. I hate what NIL and transfer portal have done to college sports.

But if contributions to NIL dry up, success will too.

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It's a necessary, if not unfortunate, evil. Until things change, which I do think they will, we have to stay up or risk falling too far behind. And you could look at it as an opportunity. tu seems to in football. What I see happening is a complete overhaul in college athletics where certain controls will be put in place, a new governing body in place to reign a lot of it in. This isn't sustainable. How many times will Titos be able to donate $20 Mil to tu, for instance? Sure, right now tu, along with other programs, are all in, but you cannot keep expecting that level of donation every year. I think in the next 10 years, this will all settle down into "salary" limits and other things which keep it under a ceretain level of realistic control. If not, there's no way to sustain this...

For me, I'll continue to donate. I will likely make a 12 for 12 purchase, like the polo or something. I can do my small part. But I would like to see a change in some form of control...

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I think the big money donors are still gonna put up big money. And that's a critical component to fund raising. But I think there's a lot of folks like me, the average alum and donor. You might get a couple hundred from me every now and again, and those add up with the large alumni base we have. I will not contribute money to the abomination that college sports has become. I think that situation is going to create some big budget shortcomings for schools.

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I think you are correct. Really hard to give money to kids who only care about money.

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Not applying judgement to your reasoning whatsoever. I hate what NIL and transfer portal have done to college sports.

But if contributions to NIL dry up, success will too.

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So be it. We don't have any success to dry up anyways. I almost wish college sports would split, one group that wants to play by the new rules with all the NIL and what not, and the other the ones who want it back the way it was, where the players on the field were at least somewhat a 'student athlete' and not some mutant of what once was.

One of my daughters for some reason is a Yale fan (she's 10), and I will watch Yale games with her. Their games are a ton of fun to watch. There is no talk of portal, or NIL, or any of that crap. No one on the field has NFL aspirations. They are just leveraging their athletic prowess to give them the opportunity at an excellent education at a place they may otherwise have not been able to go to or afford. It's a damn breath of fresh air honestly.

And I got my MBA at SMU, and before they went all in on ACC and NIL and everything too, we liked to go watch them play Rice in Houston when they'd come to town, and for the same reasons. It was just football. Better quality than high school, but most weren't going to the next level, just getting a degree.

And seeing all the posts of J Lane and Reggie McNeal and others come back to A&M to get the degree this year they started on all those years ago as student athletes just reminds me what the point of all of it is/was, and what it's become today couldn't be further from that.

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Your daughter is a big Scott Sterling fan?

I'm a Tar Heel, so Scott Sterling is a huge nemesis. I hate him more than I hate Duke!

Now that players can get openly paid, having their locker room chair massage their ass and feet while getting a haircut every day isn't that important to them.

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Is this because Jimbo's firing (I doubt it), a movement of funds to NIL, or burnout from lack of success? This would seem to be the latter but hoping all it means is reallocation of funds to NIL where it will make a much bigger difference
https://www.on3.com/college/texas-am-aggies/news/texas-am-12th-man-foundation-donations-drastically-fall-amid-jimbo-fisher-buyout/

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The article or the TMF comment itself lacks factual basis based on the claim that the TMF would pay the initial payout and the athletic department
Would cover the rest from revenues.

I think On3 is a very poor source since most of their player NIL value is imagined not factual.

With that sad: the school steered contributors to Texas Aggies United who are allowed to market themselves as the official NIL partner. That alone was a strategic shift from facility oriented donations to student athlete acquisition payments. No one should be surprised at the drop off. Gap seems to know the most about what is actually paid out and he repeatedly claims it is sizable and larger than most folks imagine.

I'm done. With NIL, the transfer portal and the continued under achievement of our athletic programs, I no longer donate. I will academically because this is a great school that I love dearly. Athletics will not see anything from me in the future. College athletics has been ruined for me.

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I'm done. With NIL, the transfer portal and the continued under achievement of our athletic programs, I no longer donate. I will academically because this is a great school that I love dearly. Athletics will not see anything from me in the future. College athletics has been ruined for me.

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So you prefer the historic anti-trust violations…

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i imagine what a conversation with Christ will go like when he shows all these millionaires the families that died in poverty and the NIL money they paid to 18 year old tatted hip hoppers so they could entertain.

Is it really that different than paying admission to the Colliseum to watch the Christians be fed to the lions?

We really havent come that far.

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Christians aren't dying horrid and unwilling deaths, and the athletes are becoming millionaires to play a game they love seem like small distinctions.

The old system most prefer where they toiled at it for much lesser rewards and hobbled freedom to bail elsewhere is closer to your Colosseum example.

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"One of my daughters for some reason is a Yale fan (she's 10), and I will watch Yale games with her. Their games are a ton of fun to watch. There is no talk of portal, or NIL, or any of that crap. No one on the field has NFL aspirations. They are just leveraging their athletic prowess to give them the opportunity at an excellent education at a place they may otherwise have not been able to go to or afford. It's a damn breath of fresh air honestly. "

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This. Except I watch Montana, Montana State, and North Dakota State games when they are on. Much, much more entertaining.

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I'm done. With NIL, the transfer portal and the continued under achievement of our athletic programs, I no longer donate. I will academically because this is a great school that I love dearly. Athletics will not see anything from me in the future. College athletics has been ruined for me.

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You don't have to be done if you feel inclined to continue donating. Support the sports that are taking care of their business. Track and Field, Softball, and Tennis have all been doing very well. And they'll actually probably appreciate the support regardless of amount.

That's being overdramatic. Most of these kids are not making big bucks in NIL. With only 11.7 scholarships to give out, most of our baseball players do not even have their full schooling paid for. Go listen to the "Answering the Call" podcast with Wyatt Henseler. He said he's very much in debt with student loans. I think it is fine, absolutely fine, to use NIL money to make up the difference that the NCAA does not allow. I think all student athletes should have full rides. They are providing great value to the university, they are sacrificing a lot, and I think they deserve it.

Now, when we are able to give everyone full scholarships, I guess that changes. But right now, these baseball players are likely not making much more than enough to pay for their education.

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i imagine what a conversation with Christ will go like when he shows all these millionaires the families that died in poverty and the NIL money they paid to 18 year old tatted hip hoppers so they could entertain.

Is it really that different than paying admission to the Colliseum to watch the Christians be fed to the lions?

We really havent come that far.

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And people think I'm weird…

Personally, I'm reluctant to donate money to an organization that I know is going to mismanage it like the whole Jimbo fiasco. $77 million is a lot of money and I'm still pretty miffed that it was treated like nothing at all. (I'm more angry that the contract was even made in the first place to put us in that position, but throwing away all that money was just indefensible in my eyes.)

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Personally, I'm reluctant to donate money to an organization that I know is going to mismanage it like the whole Jimbo fiasco. $77 million is a lot of money and I'm still pretty miffed that it was treated like nothing at all. (I'm more angry that the contract was even made in the first place to put us in that position, but throwing away all that money was just indefensible in my eyes.)

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The decision makers weren't spending their own money…

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Personally, I'm reluctant to donate money to an organization that I know is going to mismanage it like the whole Jimbo fiasco. $77 million is a lot of money and I'm still pretty miffed that it was treated like nothing at all. (I'm more angry that the contract was even made in the first place to put us in that position, but throwing away all that money was just indefensible in my eyes.)

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TMF isn't the AD that hired Jimbo, the AD that extended Jimbo, or the Chancellor that insisted the second AD was chosen to keep Jimbo happy.

How much push back do you think TMF actually has on a contract that is between the coach and the university?

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That's being overdramatic. Most of these kids are not making big bucks in NIL. With only 11.7 scholarships to give out, most of our baseball players do not even have their full schooling paid for. Go listen to the "Answering the Call" podcast with Wyatt Henseler. He said he's very much in debt with student loans. I think it is fine, absolutely fine, to use NIL money to make up the difference that the NCAA does not allow. I think all student athletes should have full rides. They are providing great value to the university, they are sacrificing a lot, and I think they deserve it.

Now, when we are able to give everyone full scholarships, I guess that changes. But right now, these baseball players are likely not making much more than enough to pay for their education.

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yes and no

the bottom 10 players on the roster are not making much

but the top 10 players...6 figures

especially since A&M went into overpay mode after the coaching change fiasco

of course any remaining schooling/housing/auto costs plus the IRS eat into the 6 figures significantly

hillcountryag86 said:

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I think the big money donors are still gonna put up big money. And that's a critical component to fund raising. But I think there's a lot of folks like me, the average alum and donor. You might get a couple hundred from me every now and again, and those add up with the large alumni base we have. I will not contribute money to the abomination that college sports has become. I think that situation is going to create some big budget shortcomings for schools.

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I think you are correct. Really hard to give money to kids who only care about money.

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Not applying judgement to your reasoning whatsoever. I hate what NIL and transfer portal have done to college sports.

But if contributions to NIL dry up, success will too.

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What success?

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That's being overdramatic. Most of these kids are not making big bucks in NIL. With only 11.7 scholarships to give out, most of our baseball players do not even have their full schooling paid for. Go listen to the "Answering the Call" podcast with Wyatt Henseler. He said he's very much in debt with student loans. I think it is fine, absolutely fine, to use NIL money to make up the difference that the NCAA does not allow. I think all student athletes should have full rides. They are providing great value to the university, they are sacrificing a lot, and I think they deserve it.

Now, when we are able to give everyone full scholarships, I guess that changes. But right now, these baseball players are likely not making much more than enough to pay for their education.

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yes and no

the bottom 10 players on the roster are not making much

but the top 10 players...6 figures

especially since A&M went into overpay mode after the coaching change fiasco

of course any remaining schooling/housing/auto costs plus the IRS eat into the 6 figures significantly

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NIL will continue to come in until an extended period of underperformance/failure. At that point exasperation and apathy will take over and that school will drop from the competitive ranks. In the end Congress will establish a max amount per year per sport and get control over it. As long as Congress sets it per sport and not per player, the crybabies and their attorneys will have no legitimate case.