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Luke The Drifter said:

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Some of y'all have the deepest, darkest maroon colored glasses I've ever seen. We are a good program. Our job is a good one. We are not great.

We all LOVE Aggie baseball. But that does not make it a great job/program. We are in desperate need of a culture change from top to bottom.

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So if you offered the exact same money to any coach in the state of Texas and even the SEC, who would chose anyone over us?

The only two I can think of are Texas and maybe LSU.

And those are not maroon colored glasses talking.

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Maybe I am not reading this correctly but if I was a successful coach and could go anywhere in Texas and or the SEC ??

Without maroon colored glasses I would choose about eight schools over us in the SEC and maybe Texas
I wouldn't choose tech but I am also not an alumni from there. And I would seriously consider Rice if I could recruit extremely well and not just coach

dermdoc said:

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Luke The Drifter said:

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dermdoc said:

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Luke The Drifter said:

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Some of y'all have the deepest, darkest maroon colored glasses I've ever seen. We are a good program. Our job is a good one. We are not great.

We all LOVE Aggie baseball. But that does not make it a great job/program. We are in desperate need of a culture change from top to bottom.

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So if you offered the exact same money to any coach in the state of Texas and even the SEC, who would chose anyone over us?

The only two I can think of are Texas and maybe LSU.

And those are not maroon colored glasses talking.

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Disagree. Other schools are fully committed to baseball. A&M is not. Baseball is not - currently - a high priority at A&M like it is other places. That's part of the culture change I'm advocating for.

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Agree. But if we did put a high priority on it, where would you coach?

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"If" is the key word.

powerbelly said:

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dermdoc said:

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Wicked Good Ag said:

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dermdoc said:

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Luke The Drifter said:

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Some of y'all have the deepest, darkest maroon colored glasses I've ever seen. We are a good program. Our job is a good one. We are not great.

We all LOVE Aggie baseball. But that does not make it a great job/program. We are in desperate need of a culture change from top to bottom.

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So if you offered the exact same money to any coach in the state of Texas and even the SEC, who would chose anyone over us?

The only two I can think of are Texas and maybe LSU.

And those are not maroon colored glasses talking.

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Maybe I am not reading this correctly but if I was a successful coach and could go anywhere in Texas and or the SEC ??

Without maroon colored glasses I would choose about eight schools over us in the SEC and maybe Texas
I wouldn't choose tech but I am also not an alumni from there. And I would seriously consider Rice if I could recruit extremely well and not just coach

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So what eight schools have more potential than us?

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I would argue we have more potential in baseball than any other sport.

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Agreed. But potential is meaningless without commitment. It's been decades since we've shown an inkling of that sort of commitment to baseball.

AggieFrog said:

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powerbelly said:

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dermdoc said:

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Wicked Good Ag said:

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dermdoc said:

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Luke The Drifter said:

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Some of y'all have the deepest, darkest maroon colored glasses I've ever seen. We are a good program. Our job is a good one. We are not great.

We all LOVE Aggie baseball. But that does not make it a great job/program. We are in desperate need of a culture change from top to bottom.

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So if you offered the exact same money to any coach in the state of Texas and even the SEC, who would chose anyone over us?

The only two I can think of are Texas and maybe LSU.

And those are not maroon colored glasses talking.

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Maybe I am not reading this correctly but if I was a successful coach and could go anywhere in Texas and or the SEC ??

Without maroon colored glasses I would choose about eight schools over us in the SEC and maybe Texas
I wouldn't choose tech but I am also not an alumni from there. And I would seriously consider Rice if I could recruit extremely well and not just coach

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So what eight schools have more potential than us?

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I would argue we have more potential in baseball than any other sport.

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Agreed. But potential is meaningless without commitment. It's been decades since we've shown an inkling of that sort of commitment to baseball.

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What kind of commitment do you want to show? What have we not provided RC that he asked for or needs?

dermdoc said:

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Wicked Good Ag said:

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dermdoc said:

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Luke The Drifter said:

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Some of y'all have the deepest, darkest maroon colored glasses I've ever seen. We are a good program. Our job is a good one. We are not great.

We all LOVE Aggie baseball. But that does not make it a great job/program. We are in desperate need of a culture change from top to bottom.

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So if you offered the exact same money to any coach in the state of Texas and even the SEC, who would chose anyone over us?

The only two I can think of are Texas and maybe LSU.

And those are not maroon colored glasses talking.

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Maybe I am not reading this correctly but if I was a successful coach and could go anywhere in Texas and or the SEC ??

Without maroon colored glasses I would choose about eight schools over us in the SEC and maybe Texas
I wouldn't choose tech but I am also not an alumni from there. And I would seriously consider Rice if I could recruit extremely well and not just coach

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So what eight schools have more potential than us?

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That wasn't the question you asked.

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dermdoc said:

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Wicked Good Ag said:

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dermdoc said:

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Luke The Drifter said:

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Some of y'all have the deepest, darkest maroon colored glasses I've ever seen. We are a good program. Our job is a good one. We are not great.

We all LOVE Aggie baseball. But that does not make it a great job/program. We are in desperate need of a culture change from top to bottom.

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So if you offered the exact same money to any coach in the state of Texas and even the SEC, who would chose anyone over us?

The only two I can think of are Texas and maybe LSU.

And those are not maroon colored glasses talking.

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Maybe I am not reading this correctly but if I was a successful coach and could go anywhere in Texas and or the SEC ??

Without maroon colored glasses I would choose about eight schools over us in the SEC and maybe Texas
I wouldn't choose tech but I am also not an alumni from there. And I would seriously consider Rice if I could recruit extremely well and not just coach

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So what eight schools have more potential than us?

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That wasn't the question you asked.

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Fair enough. Say we offer the same amount as every other SEC school. You are an unbiased coach, which eight schools do you choose over us?

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AggieFrog said:

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powerbelly said:

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dermdoc said:

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Wicked Good Ag said:

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dermdoc said:

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Luke The Drifter said:

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Some of y'all have the deepest, darkest maroon colored glasses I've ever seen. We are a good program. Our job is a good one. We are not great.

We all LOVE Aggie baseball. But that does not make it a great job/program. We are in desperate need of a culture change from top to bottom.

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So if you offered the exact same money to any coach in the state of Texas and even the SEC, who would chose anyone over us?

The only two I can think of are Texas and maybe LSU.

And those are not maroon colored glasses talking.

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Maybe I am not reading this correctly but if I was a successful coach and could go anywhere in Texas and or the SEC ??

Without maroon colored glasses I would choose about eight schools over us in the SEC and maybe Texas
I wouldn't choose tech but I am also not an alumni from there. And I would seriously consider Rice if I could recruit extremely well and not just coach

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So what eight schools have more potential than us?

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I would argue we have more potential in baseball than any other sport.

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Agreed. But potential is meaningless without commitment. It's been decades since we've shown an inkling of that sort of commitment to baseball.

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What kind of commitment do you want to show? What have we not provided RC that he asked for or needs?

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Facilities is the obvious. Love Olsen but we did a cheap renovation at exactly the wrong time (built for the Big 12 and not SEC ready). I've liked Childress overall (agree it's time, though) but how often do elite programs hire assistants with no ties to the program as first time head coaches?

We are and have been a really good, just not elite baseball program. Childress is a really good, just not elite head coach.

georgia is the most comparable program to A&M i think. no reason they shouldnt be better than theyve been other than lack of commitment to the sport. their recruiting ground is just as good as ours and less in state competition.

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I've liked Childress overall (agree it's time, though) but how often do elite programs hire assistants with no ties to the program as first time head coaches?

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Sully's only head coaching experience before being hired at Florida was in the Cape Cod League. He was an assistant at Clemson when hired by the Gators,

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georgia is the most comparable program to A&M i think. no reason they shouldnt be better than theyve been other than lack of commitment to the sport. their recruiting ground is just as good as ours and less in state competition.

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Georgia has been to one more postseason in the entire history of their program than RC has all by himself (14/13). And yours isn't even the most naive post on this thread.

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On the other hand, Georgia is the first SEC school to win a CWS (1990) as a member school of the league. Mizzou did win one back in the '50s.

Can we please move on from discussion about how "good" the job is and move back to who we might be getting to fill the all but certain vacancy TIA
My $.02 A&M could be one of the best jobs in the country but I don't think we could convince a coach to leave a good situation for team that is on pace to be the worst team in recent A&M history
I reiterate I Think we get O'Connor because he does not currently have it rolling at UVa.

My choice is Tadlock, then Vitello. The Tennessee coach is young and we need a coach who is more offensive minded. His starters were from all over the place - only 1 was from Tennessee. Yes, I know if you are any good in Tennessee you were most likely going to other schools, but he obviously worked hard to assemble that lineup.

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My $.02 A&M could be one of the best jobs in the country but I don't think we could convince a coach to leave a good situation for team that is on pace to be the worst team in recent A&M history

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This will have little to no impact on the hiring of a new coach. What new coach expects to have a great roster when they take over? There's a reason for a change. I don't think this scares off anybody.

My best guess with absolutely no insider information is that we go after Tadlock, then Schlossnagle and then to Vitello, the UVA guy and the like.

A job is as good as the $. If our AD is committed, he can make us the best job in the country.

I personally don't think you are getting one of the top ten coaches to leave their current program unless you break the bank. And it might be necessary. Ross will be putting on his first major hire and this hire may show what the athletic department will be going towards in the future. We have shown clearly in the last few hires we will unload the Brinks truck for a name coach. I hope we do get one. I just don't see the top level people leaving their programs
Because of that it will be interesting to see the type of coach we go after.
We are in a premier conference with ESTABLISHED coaches. We want to be one of those programs and we have been in the past.

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We need to realize that eh?? Smh you understand people said the same thing about football correct?
I can't understand how people don't get the fact that we are geographically better off than most of the team you listed. Then they continue to downplay that as a major draw to coaches.

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Does anyone on here think that coaches like Tadlock and Schloss would be even considering Ole Miss, Miss State, Arky, Etc.?

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Maybe I'm wrong but Texas Tech and TCU for the most part don't have near the commitment to baseball or financial backing/facilities that most SEC programs do. It's just on another level. Heck, the top 5 in attendance every year is usually 3-4 SEC teams at the top. Regardless of location it has to be easier to recruit to a place with brand new $30 million pitching facilities or close to 15,000 fans at games.

Reading through this thread is interesting. Good to see that Battered Aggie Syndrome is alive and well.

We are one of the premier coaching spots in the nation and have had a lot more interest than you can know

While Olsen is not elite, it also isn't the dump some of you make it out to be.

And Rob will not be back.

There, I've put my $0.02 in the ring and and I have no doubt someone will be along in a few minutes to tell me how stupid I am.

We shall see.

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dermdoc said:

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We need to realize that eh?? Smh you understand people said the same thing about football correct?
I can't understand how people don't get the fact that we are geographically better off than most of the team you listed. Then they continue to downplay that as a major draw to coaches.

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Does anyone on here think that coaches like Tadlock and Schloss would be even considering Ole Miss, Miss State, Arky, Etc.?

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Maybe I'm wrong but Texas Tech and TCU for the most part don't have near the commitment to baseball or financial backing/facilities that most SEC programs do. It's just on another level. Heck, the top 5 in attendance every year is usually 3-4 SEC teams at the top. Regardless of location it has to be easier to recruit to a place with brand new $30 million pitching facilities or close to 15,000 fans at games.

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How can anyone think that a job in Lubbock Texas is better than any SEC job? Sure they are winning but that does not make it a better job.

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Reading through this thread is interesting. Good to see that Battered Aggie Syndrome is alive and well.

We are one of the premier coaching spots in the nation and have had a lot more interest than you can know

While Olsen is not elite, it also isn't the dump some of you make it out to be.

And Rob will not be back.

There, I've put my $0.02 in the ring and and I have no doubt someone will be along in a few minutes to tell me how stupid I am.

We shall see.

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I don't recall anyone saying that Olsen is a dump. In any thread ever.

Are there ones on par or better yes but Olsen is no dump

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Do tell!

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Reading through this thread is interesting. Good to see that Battered Aggie Syndrome is alive and well.

We are one of the premier coaching spots in the nation and have had a lot more interest than you can know

While Olsen is not elite, it also isn't the dump some of you make it out to be.

And Rob will not be back.

There, I've put my $0.02 in the ring and and I have no doubt someone will be along in a few minutes to tell me how stupid I am.

We shall see.

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I don't recall anyone saying that Olsen is a dump. In any thread ever.

Are there ones on par or better yes but Olsen is no dump

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The way some people are talking is that we will have to settle for a lesser coach because our facilities suck.
That's the way I read it.

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Because of that it will be interesting to see the type of coach we go after.

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I have no doubt that we'll go after the very best. I have full confidence in that. To me the response we get from the top guys will be what's interesting. I know its not my money but if we need to back the Brinks truck up - then do it. We've floundered around long enough. Get the best to be the best.

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and have had a lot more interest than you can know

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Do tell!

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Sorry, I can't go there.

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dermdoc said:

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We need to realize that eh?? Smh you understand people said the same thing about football correct?
I can't understand how people don't get the fact that we are geographically better off than most of the team you listed. Then they continue to downplay that as a major draw to coaches.

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Does anyone on here think that coaches like Tadlock and Schloss would be even considering Ole Miss, Miss State, Arky, Etc.?

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Maybe I'm wrong but Texas Tech and TCU for the most part don't have near the commitment to baseball or financial backing/facilities that most SEC programs do. It's just on another level. Heck, the top 5 in attendance every year is usually 3-4 SEC teams at the top. Regardless of location it has to be easier to recruit to a place with brand new $30 million pitching facilities or close to 15,000 fans at games.

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Correct.