Fair or Foul?

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https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/06/trenton-hartford-minor-league-baseball-bunt-no-hitter-benches-unwritten-rules-video
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Fair. A few things:

1) Is it really a no hitter if all of the batters aren't trying to get hits? They wanted a hit, they got it.

2) The game was 3-0, not a blowout. At that point, the game is still on and Trenton needed baserunners.

3) It was combined. While still cool, it isn't like they robbed one guy of history.
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2) The game was 3-0, not a blowout. At that point, the game is still on and Trenton needed baserunners.
Most important point.

Also, bunting for a hit isn't easy. If it were easy, more people would do it.
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More than fair.

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I think the main thing is that it was only a 3 run game. After the bunt you're looking at a walk and then a bomb away from tying it up.
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HoustonAg2106 said:

I think the main thing is that it was only a 3 run game. After the bunt you're looking at a walk and then a bomb away from tying it up.
To me it really doesn't matter what the score is. A bunt for a hit is as legitimate as any other type of hit.
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I think it was a game last year against Rhode Island where we were winning by 9 or 10 runs in the 9th and they tried to bunt for a hit and collided with Coleman at first base. I remember there was a big discussion on here about if it's ok to bunt in the 9th down by so many runs.

There was a lot of "you must have never played baseball" going on that day.
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HoustonAg2106 said:

I think it was a game last year against Rhode Island where we were winning by 9 or 10 runs in the 9th and they tried to bunt for a hit and collided with Coleman at first base. I remember there was a big discussion on here about if it's ok to bunt in the 9th down by so many runs.

There was a lot of "you must have never played baseball" going on that day.



It's always ok to bunt for a hit
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ColoradoMooseHerd said:

HoustonAg2106 said:

I think it was a game last year against Rhode Island where we were winning by 9 or 10 runs in the 9th and they tried to bunt for a hit and collided with Coleman at first base. I remember there was a big discussion on here about if it's ok to bunt in the 9th down by so many runs.

There was a lot of "you must have never played baseball" going on that day.



It's always ok to bunt for a hit
I agree, but I know there are a lot of people that don't...
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More than any other sport, it seems, baseball has so many 'unwritten rules.' Even going by that, a 3-0 game is still winnable in late innings so I think getting a hit by any means is legit.

But, if a team follows those 'unwrittens,' and is down by say, 10, in a late inning, is it really right to not try any means available to get a hit? To me, by deciding not to bunt and essentially conceding the no-hitter, you diminish the value of the feat. Compare that to the pitcher who throws a no-hitter in a 1-0 win, where the opposing batters definitely did not give in and tried for hits until the game's final out. That accomplishment is worth more than the game which was conceded in earlier innings.
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The only foul part I see is how far inside the base path he was running.
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powerbelly said:

HoustonAg2106 said:

I think the main thing is that it was only a 3 run game. After the bunt you're looking at a walk and then a bomb away from tying it up.
To me it really doesn't matter what the score is. A bunt for a hit is as legitimate as any other type of hit.
This. If you don't want to have no no ruined, make the play.
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Pro ball polices itself, but college can't. Thus, if the game is out of reach in pro ball, you can drop one down if you don't mind wearing one the next day. In college, you can do stuff with impunity, so it's a DB move.
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No hitters are nothing more than statistical anomalies. They don't count any greater in the standings.
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94chem said:

Pro ball polices itself, but college can't. Thus, if the game is out of reach in pro ball, you can drop one down if you don't mind wearing one the next day. In college, you can do stuff with impunity, so it's a DB move.
It is chicken **** to throw at someone for trying to get on base.
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it was a combined no-hitter between four pitchers
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powerbelly said:

94chem said:

Pro ball polices itself, but college can't. Thus, if the game is out of reach in pro ball, you can drop one down if you don't mind wearing one the next day. In college, you can do stuff with impunity, so it's a DB move.
It is chicken **** to throw at someone for trying to get on base.
Sure it is, but why don't you go ahead and try it in a big league game when you're down 10-0 against Nolan Ryan in the 9th inning? It's not a great career move.

Same reason nobody cross-checked Gretzky. Some people just have an aversion to feeding tubes.
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TexAg1987 said:

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it was a combined no-hitter between four pitchers

Kinda like bringing my family to help polish off the ole 96-er.
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If I recall my rules correctly, since the runner was running inside the base path (well off the foul line), the pitcher could have hit the runner in the back. The runner would have then been called out for interference...no-hitter stays intact.
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94chem said:

powerbelly said:

94chem said:

Pro ball polices itself, but college can't. Thus, if the game is out of reach in pro ball, you can drop one down if you don't mind wearing one the next day. In college, you can do stuff with impunity, so it's a DB move.
It is chicken **** to throw at someone for trying to get on base.
Sure it is, but why don't you go ahead and try it in a big league game when you're down 10-0 against Nolan Ryan in the 9th inning? It's not a great career move.

Same reason nobody cross-checked Gretzky. Some people just have an aversion to feeding tubes.
lmao, I need the laugh/cry emoticon for this
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94chem said:

powerbelly said:

94chem said:

Pro ball polices itself, but college can't. Thus, if the game is out of reach in pro ball, you can drop one down if you don't mind wearing one the next day. In college, you can do stuff with impunity, so it's a DB move.
It is chicken **** to throw at someone for trying to get on base.
Sure it is, but why don't you go ahead and try it in a big league game when you're down 10-0 against Nolan Ryan in the 9th inning? It's not a great career move.

Same reason nobody cross-checked Gretzky. Some people just have an aversion to feeding tubes.
I always thought the conventional wisdom was that the DB move was to bunt for a hit when you are up 10 runs, not when you're down by any number.
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At what point in the game does it become an unwritten rule to just roll over and play dead so the other team can pad a stat sheet?

Play ****ing baseball and let the chips fall how they may!
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"you may run like mays, but you hit like s**t"

no problem, just put it in play and leg it out
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TexAg1987 said:

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it was a combined no-hitter between four pitchers

Even if it were a DB move for a true no hitter (which I don't think it was), why do they care so much about a "combined no-hitter"?
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If anything I'd complain he was all the way in the field trying to block a throw...: but bunting is baseball
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A bunt hit in the first inning is the same as a bunt in the ninth inning. It's baseball! "Get Over It"!
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It is true that bunting for hit is legitimate even late in a no-hitter but as a first baseman so is calling for a pick off and knocking the guys teeth out with the tag. All just part of the game. His jaw is a legitimate place to tag him so no big deal.
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austagg99 said:

It is true that bunting for hit is legitimate even late in a no-hitter but as a first baseman so is calling for a pick off and knocking the guys teeth out with the tag. All just part of the game. His jaw is a legitimate place to tag him so no big deal.
Intentionally hurting someone is bull*****
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austagg99 said:

It is true that bunting for hit is legitimate even late in a no-hitter but as a first baseman so is calling for a pick off and knocking the guys teeth out with the tag. All just part of the game. His jaw is a legitimate place to tag him so no big deal.
Bunting for a hit and physically injuring someone are equal. Yeah, ok.
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Eh. As most have posted. Bunting is a baseball art just as much as hitting homers. It's part of the game. If the score was 18-0 and the starter was in with 2 outs left to complete the no no then I MIGHT have a problem with this as it would look petty. They were still in the game and the starter was out. Nothing to see here. Move along.
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Yard Goats.
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Entire argument is stupid. To have a no-hitter you must not give up any hits. A bunt is a hit, end of discussion.

Should a hitter not take a walk breaking up a perfect game?
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I have no problem with the bunt. Also have no problem with chin music the next day...
Wicked Good Ag
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Goose06 said:

I have no problem with the bunt. Also have no problem with chin music the next day...


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