I probably missed it so apologize for asking, but do we know why McNeilly left the staff after 11 years with Buzz?
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I'm looking for sliiiiiiiightly more detail here.lbasham said:
Contract not renewed by Coach Williams.
There have been no publically reported details on reasons.Complete Idiot said:I'm looking for sliiiiiiiightly more detail here.lbasham said:
Contract not renewed by Coach Williams.
All that has been publically confirmed is it was Buzz's decision to not renew the contract, even though Buzz knew for sure that Cashius McNeilly would leave too and possibly Emmanuel Miller as well. Per Logan, it was hoped Miller would ultimately stay, but the decision was made with that risk factored in.
I can imagine many reasons why we would never know - power struggle, a specific event turned things south, NCAA issues (these are all theoretical speculation, I obviously know nothing) - but also possible it could be something behind the scenes that someone here may have heard of and would be OK to share - looking for career growth, philosophical differences regarding future roster or playing style, family needs, etc.Pumpkinhead said:There have been no publically reported details on reasons.Complete Idiot said:I'm looking for sliiiiiiiightly more detail here.lbasham said:
Contract not renewed by Coach Williams.
All that has been publically confirmed is it was Buzz's decision to not renew the contract, even though Buzz knew for sure that Cashius McNeilly would leave too and possibly Emmanuel Miller as well. Per Logan, it was hoped Miller would ultimately stay, but the decision was made with that risk factored in.
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It could be just that he didn't want to rely on the Canadian pipeline so much and felt he needed more recruiting punch in Texas and the region. He even said as much in a recent interview that he wanted/needed to do better in Texas.Complete Idiot said:I can imagine many reasons why we would never know - power struggle, a specific event turned things south, NCAA issues (these are all theoretical speculation, I obviously know nothing) - but also possible it could be something behind the scenes that someone here may have heard of and would be OK to share - looking for career growth, philosophical differences regarding future roster or playing style, family needs, etc.Pumpkinhead said:There have been no publically reported details on reasons.Complete Idiot said:I'm looking for sliiiiiiiightly more detail here.lbasham said:
Contract not renewed by Coach Williams.
All that has been publically confirmed is it was Buzz's decision to not renew the contract, even though Buzz knew for sure that Cashius McNeilly would leave too and possibly Emmanuel Miller as well. Per Logan, it was hoped Miller would ultimately stay, but the decision was made with that risk factored in.
I heard McNeilly criticized Buzz for reading too many books and going on too many podcasts so that's why Buzz got rid of him. Plus he hated the stupid thing Buzz does where he gives the wrong age on his happy birthday posts.
I agree that it COULD be that. It COULD be lots of reasons, I guess. If that's the reason you heard behind the scenes, I could buy that. 11 years is a long time together, and he's been a part of the success at Marquette and VaTech, so I was curious what happened and if it should concern us.Hop said:It could be just that he didn't want to rely on the Canadian pipeline so much and felt he needed more recruiting punch in Texas and the region. He even said as much in a recent interview that he wanted/needed to do better in Texas.Complete Idiot said:I can imagine many reasons why we would never know - power struggle, a specific event turned things south, NCAA issues (these are all theoretical speculation, I obviously know nothing) - but also possible it could be something behind the scenes that someone here may have heard of and would be OK to share - looking for career growth, philosophical differences regarding future roster or playing style, family needs, etc.Pumpkinhead said:There have been no publically reported details on reasons.Complete Idiot said:I'm looking for sliiiiiiiightly more detail here.lbasham said:
Contract not renewed by Coach Williams.
All that has been publically confirmed is it was Buzz's decision to not renew the contract, even though Buzz knew for sure that Cashius McNeilly would leave too and possibly Emmanuel Miller as well. Per Logan, it was hoped Miller would ultimately stay, but the decision was made with that risk factored in.
I heard it was McNeilly that kept giving him the books and taking his phone and subscribing to podcasts so the AD fired him. Like taking out the drug dealer.
Probably because this isn't Marquette and V-Tech and we have good instate players that he doesn't really need that Canadian pipeline anymore.Complete Idiot said:I agree that it COULD be that. It COULD be lots of reasons, I guess. If that's the reason you heard behind the scenes, I could buy that. 11 years is a long time together, and he's been a part of the success at Marquette and VaTech, so I was curious what happened and if it should concern us.Hop said:It could be just that he didn't want to rely on the Canadian pipeline so much and felt he needed more recruiting punch in Texas and the region. He even said as much in a recent interview that he wanted/needed to do better in Texas.Complete Idiot said:I can imagine many reasons why we would never know - power struggle, a specific event turned things south, NCAA issues (these are all theoretical speculation, I obviously know nothing) - but also possible it could be something behind the scenes that someone here may have heard of and would be OK to share - looking for career growth, philosophical differences regarding future roster or playing style, family needs, etc.Pumpkinhead said:There have been no publically reported details on reasons.Complete Idiot said:I'm looking for sliiiiiiiightly more detail here.lbasham said:
Contract not renewed by Coach Williams.
All that has been publically confirmed is it was Buzz's decision to not renew the contract, even though Buzz knew for sure that Cashius McNeilly would leave too and possibly Emmanuel Miller as well. Per Logan, it was hoped Miller would ultimately stay, but the decision was made with that risk factored in.
Buzz and McNeilly were at VT for 5 seasons and it wasn't until the 4th year I found a player who listed Canada as their home location. There was one player from Ontario in that 4th season, and added a second Canadian player in his 5th and final season there. During 6 seasons with Marquette I found two Canadian players, one may may been there before Buzz became HC though.GrayMatter said:Probably because this isn't Marquette and V-Tech and we have good instate players that he doesn't really need that Canadian pipeline anymore.Complete Idiot said:I agree that it COULD be that. It COULD be lots of reasons, I guess. If that's the reason you heard behind the scenes, I could buy that. 11 years is a long time together, and he's been a part of the success at Marquette and VaTech, so I was curious what happened and if it should concern us.Hop said:It could be just that he didn't want to rely on the Canadian pipeline so much and felt he needed more recruiting punch in Texas and the region. He even said as much in a recent interview that he wanted/needed to do better in Texas.Complete Idiot said:I can imagine many reasons why we would never know - power struggle, a specific event turned things south, NCAA issues (these are all theoretical speculation, I obviously know nothing) - but also possible it could be something behind the scenes that someone here may have heard of and would be OK to share - looking for career growth, philosophical differences regarding future roster or playing style, family needs, etc.Pumpkinhead said:There have been no publically reported details on reasons.Complete Idiot said:I'm looking for sliiiiiiiightly more detail here.lbasham said:
Contract not renewed by Coach Williams.
All that has been publically confirmed is it was Buzz's decision to not renew the contract, even though Buzz knew for sure that Cashius McNeilly would leave too and possibly Emmanuel Miller as well. Per Logan, it was hoped Miller would ultimately stay, but the decision was made with that risk factored in.
It's a very narrow pipeline, thanks Obama
I considered a pipeline/tribal lands joke but didn't want to attract F16 flies.bobinator said:
It's a very narrow pipeline, thanks Obama
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That's not what I heard behind the scenes. I'm just connecting the dots based on his recent public comments. I'm not saying this IS the reason, just what I think it COULD be.Complete Idiot said:I agree that it COULD be that. It COULD be lots of reasons, I guess. If that's the reason you heard behind the scenes, I could buy that. 11 years is a long time together, and he's been a part of the success at Marquette and VaTech, so I was curious what happened and if it should concern us.Hop said:It could be just that he didn't want to rely on the Canadian pipeline so much and felt he needed more recruiting punch in Texas and the region. He even said as much in a recent interview that he wanted/needed to do better in Texas.Complete Idiot said:I can imagine many reasons why we would never know - power struggle, a specific event turned things south, NCAA issues (these are all theoretical speculation, I obviously know nothing) - but also possible it could be something behind the scenes that someone here may have heard of and would be OK to share - looking for career growth, philosophical differences regarding future roster or playing style, family needs, etc.Pumpkinhead said:There have been no publically reported details on reasons.Complete Idiot said:I'm looking for sliiiiiiiightly more detail here.lbasham said:
Contract not renewed by Coach Williams.
All that has been publically confirmed is it was Buzz's decision to not renew the contract, even though Buzz knew for sure that Cashius McNeilly would leave too and possibly Emmanuel Miller as well. Per Logan, it was hoped Miller would ultimately stay, but the decision was made with that risk factored in.
Buzz likes tomato, Jamie likes to-mah-to.
No worries, it was clear your reply was merely speculation.
I guess the question invites that, so perhaps I shouldn't even be asking and it should be kept behind the scenes.
Excited to see who Buzz hires.
I guess the question invites that, so perhaps I shouldn't even be asking and it should be kept behind the scenes.
Excited to see who Buzz hires.
There are two types of people in this world. Those who like Neil Diamond and those who don't. McNeilly loved him.
Based upon where most of the transfers are from, I don't think distance has anything to do with which players Buzz wants to bring in. Just another coach excuse.
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Based upon where most of the transfers are from, I don't think distance has anything to do with which players Buzz wants to bring in. Just another coach excuse.
Lol good point... so our coach parts w a longtime assistant bc he wants more players from texas then goes out and gets 5 out of 6 transfers who are from nowhere near Texas.
Not saying Hop is right (obviously, I would never) but if you're hiring an assistant to help you recruit a region you probably aren't going to see the returns for at least a year.
I'm the portal you gotta get who you can get.
But more to your point, our current class has some dudes from Texas so that doesn't seem to be an issue. That's all to say that I have no idea, but I agree it's not just that he wants to recruit Texas better and not "rely on the Canadian pipeline."
I'm the portal you gotta get who you can get.
But more to your point, our current class has some dudes from Texas so that doesn't seem to be an issue. That's all to say that I have no idea, but I agree it's not just that he wants to recruit Texas better and not "rely on the Canadian pipeline."
I believe this is the statement that everyone is alluding to
"I do want to sign Texas guys - I want to sign Texas guys who are going to be successful, who fit at Texas A&M and are what we want to be about academically and on the floor. The priority of recruiting this state is important, as long as it fits what we're trying to accomplish."
Is there more than that? Because it seems like pretty normal coach speak for guys working in the state. Doesn't sound like an excuse, as some are making it out to be, or a major philosophical change, as others seem to be jumping to. The 2021 class was all TX HS guys, which is close to how things normally go around here.
"I do want to sign Texas guys - I want to sign Texas guys who are going to be successful, who fit at Texas A&M and are what we want to be about academically and on the floor. The priority of recruiting this state is important, as long as it fits what we're trying to accomplish."
Is there more than that? Because it seems like pretty normal coach speak for guys working in the state. Doesn't sound like an excuse, as some are making it out to be, or a major philosophical change, as others seem to be jumping to. The 2021 class was all TX HS guys, which is close to how things normally go around here.
I got here late... points to bobinator for calling it exactly like it is. That much turnover is concerning no matter the talent upgrade (and yes there probably is one. How large is yet to be seen).
That's like treating a symptom instead of a disease or always claiming if you smell any smoke that your house on fire.The Shank Ag said:
I got here late... points to bobinator for calling it exactly like it is. That much turnover is concerning no matter the talent upgrade (and yes there probably is one. How large is yet to be seen).
I found the news jarring. But the world changed and everyone is potentially affected. And tye change arguably is necessary though traditionalists are fighting it because they don't like what it means.
It does make every coach's job harder. But they make the big bucks
Complete Idiot said:I'm looking for sliiiiiiiightly more detail here.lbasham said:
Contract not renewed by Coach Williams.
He was no longer going to be paid by Texas A&M athletic dept
In typical Buzz interviews, that's what he said/alluded to the other day. And it's not like I believe it anymore than when he said Miller needed/wanted a fresh start.
phorizt said:Ag_EE_88 said:
Based upon where most of the transfers are from, I don't think distance has anything to do with which players Buzz wants to bring in. Just another coach excuse.
Lol good point... so our coach parts w a longtime assistant bc he wants more players from texas then goes out and gets 5 out of 6 transfers who are from nowhere near Texas.
Holy crap is this dumb!
Yes we need to recruit Texas better. Tons of talent in our backyard. We need guys to build good connections with coaches both HS and AAU locally. But to say we are going to pass on transfers because they aren't Texans is stupid. Just like Jimbo said today we have to recruit Texas well, but he said that doesn't mean we limit ourselves to Texas. Also recruiting kids in the portal is very different than recruiting kids in high school.
You are just b*tching to b*tch.
We need to recruit better, regardless of where they are from. Didn't sound like Mcneilly was a very good recruiter except for his little pocket in Canada. So part of it was we need better players and people that can help with that. Part of it was rumored his commitment to the program was questioned. Buzz isn't going to come out and say that publicly. Coaches get let go all the time and it's extremely rare for the head coach to say anything negative about the assistants that get let go or are not renewed.
I'm concerned up 12 with four minutes left.
You'd be concerned up 20 with one minute left.
And so he just STOPS WORKING???? Talk about needy.EliteZags said:Complete Idiot said:I'm looking for sliiiiiiiightly more detail here.lbasham said:
Contract not renewed by Coach Williams.
He was no longer going to be paid by Texas A&M athletic dept
Good riddance!
I'll add that the town halls with Bjork and pressers with the coaches are actually very helpful over the long term for deciphering what is going on in Aggieland sports. Regrettably some writers come in with pre-determined story lines and use their questions to confirm the narrative. That's not always a bad thing, but it means what was actually said gets less attention.
This is somewhat unrelated, but is the coaching staff still limited this spring/summer like they were last year by covid related restrictions?
Or will they get a real offseason?
Or will they get a real offseason?
No but close. I think a few of those auburn games when we were up like 17 and it got down to the last shot are good examples.
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