College Basketball Corruption Trial

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BQ_90
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nobody wants to clean it, so why give a **** about it.
Belton Ag
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Watch us get hammered for this but Will Wade goes right on coaching at LSU.
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https://sports.yahoo.com/fbi-surveillance-videos-show-corruption-everywhere-in-college-athletics-210716764.html
BQ_90
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Belton Ag said:

Watch us get hammered for this but Will Wade goes right on coaching at LSU.
hammered by who?
Belton Ag
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BQ_90 said:

Belton Ag said:

Watch us get hammered for this but Will Wade goes right on coaching at LSU.
hammered by who?
The International Federation of Space Coyotes.

It was a joke, I should have used the smiley face emoji but failed.
mdanyc03
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Good write up
TXAggie2011
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More to the point, I think that the issue of college players getting paid is usually misunderstood and misrepresented, even by people who follow the sport. It isn't primarily an issue of coaches and boosters paying players like in the old Blue Chips movie. It is mostly about shoe companies and agents paying future pros to get a handle on lucrative relationships.


Yep. And on the "everyone is doing it" point, we just saw today that agents and shoe companies don't actually care about most people, and certainly not close to "everyone."
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mdanyc03 said:

Good write up


It's another click bait whiny article about a problem without offering anything to actually fix anything.
txag72
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As always, the NCAA is there to jump on the poor slob that doesn't have the pull within that organization to avoid penalties. It's a great system to "randomly" crucify those not in the inner circle. Level playing field, uh hu. FU tu, FU Kentucky, FU Kansas, FU NCAA, FU all.
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txag72 said:

As always, the NCAA is there to jump on the poor slob that doesn't have the pull within that organization to avoid penalties. It's a great system to "randomly" crucify those not in the inner circle. Level playing field, uh hu. FU tu, FU Kentucky, FU Kansas, FU NCAA, FU all.


$1 BEELYUN...what the NCAA loses if they run off Division I P5.
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Do people at tamu really care that much about basketball that they would pay players?
Belton Ag
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queso1 said:

Do people at tamu really care that much about basketball that they would pay players?
No, that's why this isn't about anyone at A&M paying a player. It's about an agent paying a player.
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SWAC teams better take cover. The NCAA is looking to lay down the law now.
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Belton Ag said:

queso1 said:

Do people at tamu really care that much about basketball that they would pay players?
No, that's why this isn't about anyone at A&M paying a player. It's about an agent paying a player.


It's about an agent paying a player at the request of our coaching staff.
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agsfan said:

Belton Ag said:

queso1 said:

Do people at tamu really care that much about basketball that they would pay players?
No, that's why this isn't about anyone at A&M paying a player. It's about an agent paying a player.


It's about an agent paying a player at the request of our coaching staff.
Its about an agent paying a player - actually in Robert Williams' case apparently his dad - at the request of one of our assistant coaches, with the expectation that the assistant coach would then encourage the player to sign with the agent...even if the agent is a low life con-artist (for all the coach knows) who may very well end up stealing from and/or significantly damaging the player financially.
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Pumpkinhead said:

agsfan said:

Belton Ag said:

queso1 said:

Do people at tamu really care that much about basketball that they would pay players?
No, that's why this isn't about anyone at A&M paying a player. It's about an agent paying a player.


It's about an agent paying a player at the request of our coaching staff.
Its about an agent paying a player - actually in Robert Williams' case apparently his dad - at the request of one of our assistant coaches, with the expectation that the assistant coach would then encourage the player to sign with the agent...even if the agent is a low life con-artist (for all the coach knows) who may very well end up stealing from and/or significantly damaging the player financially.
which we really don't know if it happened or not.
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BQ_90 said:

Pumpkinhead said:

agsfan said:

Belton Ag said:

queso1 said:

Do people at tamu really care that much about basketball that they would pay players?
No, that's why this isn't about anyone at A&M paying a player. It's about an agent paying a player.


It's about an agent paying a player at the request of our coaching staff.
Its about an agent paying a player - actually in Robert Williams' case apparently his dad - at the request of one of our assistant coaches, with the expectation that the assistant coach would then encourage the player to sign with the agent...even if the agent is a low life con-artist (for all the coach knows) who may very well end up stealing from and/or significantly damaging the player financially.
which we really don't know if it happened or not.
We know it either happened or perjury occurred in that federal court testimony. Blazer testified that discussion of sending the money was 'w/ Rahim & Dawkins and the undercover FBI agent'...
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I just don't understand the angle of the assistant coaches...

Assistant coach gets compensated by agent to help said agent land particular player when that player turns pro, and for what, a few extra thousand dollars? These assistants are getting well compensated already, why would they risk their career for extra income?

Now, if the agent could help land recruits, it's a different situation, but it still wouldn't make much sense for the assistant coach to take a piece of the pie, at least for the risk involved.
JJxvi
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It's to help land recruits.

Only the dumb ones are taking money for themselves probably because they just cant help themselves except to get every dollar they can, and are just that stupid.
greg.w.h
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JJxvi said:

It's to help land recruits.

Only the dumb ones are taking money for themselves probably because they just cant help themselves except to get every dollar they can, and are just that stupid.


Impatience. And to be honest, other than going to jail, why not? The coach makes millions...
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Is Texags going to report on this?
Bunk Moreland
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queso1 said:

Is Texags going to report on this?

lol
bobinator
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mdanyc03 said:


The way you get people to talk is by granting immunity to those who do talk. That is immunity is conditional. If you grant blanket immunity then the "no snitches" code prevails and nobody says anything.

I guess to me, practically, "anyone that talks gets immunity" isn't much different from "everyone has immunity"?

The whole issue is that teams, especially the really good teams, have systems for doing this stuff. So nobody is going to actually have any proof on anything that anyone else did. So the NCAA isn't going to be able to hammer Duke for something the people at UNC said. So the end result is the same, everyone is basically immune to whatever comes out.

But if they want to fix the system (which, to be honest, they probably don't,) it needs to start with understanding it.

But all of these "THIS TRIAL IS EXPOSING THE SEEDY UNDERBELLY..." whatever articles are dumb. Everyone's known about this kind of stuff for a long time. It didn't just start. And it isn't just basketball. It just gets more attention in basketball because we're talking about a smaller group of players.
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Why would someone like Coach K agree to this? Also, they might gain immunity from the NCAA, but what about the University reacting to having employees that choose to openly admit to breaking rules?
bobinator
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The schools don't care. They only care sometimes because they might get in trouble, but if nobody is getting in trouble they don't care.

As for why a coach would do it, it would depend on how serious everyone is about things. I'm sure coaches would love to see more of the money finding it's way to players instead of all of these hangers-on around the players. So if the NCAA is open to real change, I'd think most coaches would want to be involved.

Or we can just go on pretending it's not happening and only penalize teams when they suck at it.
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2015 247 Team Recruiting Rankings:

1. Kentucky
2. Duke
3. Arizona
4. Texas A&M

txag72
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The Duke's, NC's, and Kentucky's have gotten themselves to the point (illegally) that they don't have to really cheat much anymore. I've never really understood how anyone could regulate what happens to players AFTER they graduate. Promised jobs, etc. I'd love to know the occupations of basketball graduates at those dynasty schools that go there 4 years, graduate and don't play pro ball.
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That is a unique perspective.
JW
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He was already on the team.
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Quote:

Friday night, CBS Sports reporter Matt Norlander, who provided the original report, clarified his information.

"I need to amend this, as wording was misleading," Norlander tweeted. "Abdur-Rahim did go to Cosmo to meet with Dawkins and Co., but (original) tweet suggests he was part of the shoe shipping deal, which was not the case (Abdur-Rahim took no $)."
https://www.mdjonline.com/sports/ksu-s-coach-involvement-with-college-corruption-case-overstated/article_1294e44a-68f9-11e9-9e35-dbffbc546eb9.html#utm_campaign=blox&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
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The additional reporting including their due diligence and Texas A&M's investigation is helpful.
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