94chem said:
The sad truth is that when you go full Baylor and lie about everything and never speak at all, you end up better off than if you go Penn State and let the truth out.
Must be nice to have a job where you can blatantly break the rules, decide not to talk to your employer when they call you on the carpet, and keep your job. That's a strong-ass position to be in.greg.w.h said:94chem said:
The sad truth is that when you go full Baylor and lie about everything and never speak at all, you end up better off than if you go Penn State and let the truth out.
Why is mounting a vigorous defense sad? Please explain in detail this flaw of our criminal justice system.
94chem said:Must be nice to have a job where you can blatantly break the rules, decide not to talk to your employer when they call you on the carpet, and keep your job. That's a strong-ass position to be in.greg.w.h said:94chem said:
The sad truth is that when you go full Baylor and lie about everything and never speak at all, you end up better off than if you go Penn State and let the truth out.
Why is mounting a vigorous defense sad? Please explain in detail this flaw of our criminal justice system.
greg.w.h said:94chem said:Must be nice to have a job where you can blatantly break the rules, decide not to talk to your employer when they call you on the carpet, and keep your job. That's a strong-ass position to be in.greg.w.h said:94chem said:
The sad truth is that when you go full Baylor and lie about everything and never speak at all, you end up better off than if you go Penn State and let the truth out.
Why is mounting a vigorous defense sad? Please explain in detail this flaw of our criminal justice system.
Note I asked about criminal justice and you changed the subject. He is mounting a vigorous defense against federal-level charges. He might or might not retain his position. But going to prison sucks worse than being fired.
Pumpkinhead said:greg.w.h said:94chem said:Must be nice to have a job where you can blatantly break the rules, decide not to talk to your employer when they call you on the carpet, and keep your job. That's a strong-ass position to be in.greg.w.h said:94chem said:
The sad truth is that when you go full Baylor and lie about everything and never speak at all, you end up better off than if you go Penn State and let the truth out.
Why is mounting a vigorous defense sad? Please explain in detail this flaw of our criminal justice system.
Note I asked about criminal justice and you changed the subject. He is mounting a vigorous defense against federal-level charges. He might or might not retain his position. But going to prison sucks worse than being fired.
Will Wade is/was not facing any criminal charges.
An agent/middleman that Wade was using to *apparently* help him pay recruits is the guy who is facing federal bribery and wire fraud charges, and whose trial is about to start.
That middleman's lawyers are the ones who subpoenaed Wade to help his defense...to testify that although the wiretaps caught Wade talking about 'Strong ass offers' ...Wade was never BRIBED by the agent.
The Fed prosecution filed a motion to block Wade's testimony, because they don't care about coaches paying recruits. They care about what they charged the agent of doing.
You know who does care about paying recruits though? Not the Feds, but NCAA Investigator sure do!! When the transcript of Wade talking about 'strong ass offers' came out, the NCAA was really interested and LSU admin and the NCAA wanted to immediately meet with Wade.
He refused, because he was worried at the time that although he could lie to NCAA and LSU no problemo, he might have testify on the witness stand in a Federal trial soon...and perjury in a Fed trial is no joke.
So he told his bosses at LSU that he wouldnt talk to them, so they suspended him.
Then he hired a better lawyer to navigate out of his problem.
Once it looked like he didn't have to testify, he agrees to meet with LSU and NCAA and tells them 'I didn't pay no players'. That's just back to lying to his bosses and NCAA, something Wade was a lot more comfortable doing with no Fed trial testimony on the horizon anymore.
Will be interesting to see how Woodward handles Wade.
Pumpkinhead said:greg.w.h said:94chem said:Must be nice to have a job where you can blatantly break the rules, decide not to talk to your employer when they call you on the carpet, and keep your job. That's a strong-ass position to be in.greg.w.h said:94chem said:
The sad truth is that when you go full Baylor and lie about everything and never speak at all, you end up better off than if you go Penn State and let the truth out.
Why is mounting a vigorous defense sad? Please explain in detail this flaw of our criminal justice system.
Note I asked about criminal justice and you changed the subject. He is mounting a vigorous defense against federal-level charges. He might or might not retain his position. But going to prison sucks worse than being fired.
Will Wade is/was not facing any criminal charges.
An agent/middleman that Wade was using to *apparently* help him pay recruits is the guy who is facing federal bribery and wire fraud charges, and whose trial is about to start.
That middleman's lawyers are the ones who subpoenaed Wade to help his defense...to testify that although the wiretaps caught Wade talking about 'Strong ass offers' ...Wade was never BRIBED by the agent.
The Fed prosecution filed a motion to block Wade's testimony, because they don't care about coaches paying recruits. They care about what they charged the agent of doing.
You know who does care about paying recruits though? Not the Feds, but NCAA Investigator sure do!! When the transcript of Wade talking about 'strong ass offers' came out, the NCAA was really interested and LSU admin and the NCAA wanted to immediately meet with Wade.
He refused, because he was worried at the time that although he could lie to NCAA and LSU no problemo, he might have testify on the witness stand in a Federal trial soon...and perjury in a Fed trial is no joke.
So he told his bosses at LSU that he wouldnt talk to them, so they suspended him.
Then he hired a better lawyer to navigate out of his problem.
Once it looked like he didn't have to testify, he agrees to meet with LSU and NCAA and tells them 'I didn't pay no players'. That's just back to lying to his bosses and NCAA, something Wade was a lot more comfortable doing with no Fed trial testimony on the horizon anymore.
Will be interesting to see how Woodward handles Wade.
Wow, must be fun walking into that. I wonder if it's easier to keep Wade's job or to keep him out of jail? I mean, in theory, I don't think the average LSU fan would have a problem with Wade coaching the team from prison.LawHall88 said:
If the power brokers at LSU wanted Wade fired, they would have made Alleva do it before running him out of town. Woodward's objective will be to protect / save Wade.
Shaka Con.frogagg said:
shaka on radar of fbi
Pumpkinhead said:
Wade does not appear to be in any danger of going to jail.
NCAA violations, yes. Criminal charges no. As I mentioned in my most recent post, his subpeona had nothing to do with any criminal charges against Wade.
Method Man said:
What a thrill it would be if LSU got in real trouble for their illegal fund from our lady of the lake but they won't.
Pumpkinhead said:
Wade does not appear to be in any danger of going to jail.
NCAA violations, yes. Criminal charges no. As I mentioned in my most recent post, his subpeona had nothing to do with any criminal charges against Wade.
LawHall88 said:
If the power brokers at LSU wanted Wade fired, they would have made Alleva do it before running him out of town. Woodward's objective will be to protect / save Wade.
Obviously I can't speak to what Woodward was told.91AggieLawyer said:LawHall88 said:
If the power brokers at LSU wanted Wade fired, they would have made Alleva do it before running him out of town. Woodward's objective will be to protect / save Wade.
You're saying a lot here: 1) LSU brass doesn't care about getting lied to by one of its key employees; 2) THEY, and not the AD, control the athletic department; 3) Woodward has agreed to be a yes man; and 4) Woodward is willing to condone lying to bosses (including him) and NCAA rules violations.
If all this is true, I don't want Woodward here.
So if that's not what you were intending to say, please clarify because your comments were clearly saying that to me (assuming they are accurate, of course).
expresswrittenconsent said:
I think you're probably right, Law. But I dont know if it's that cut and dried yet. It will be interesting to see what comments Woodward makes about Wade. I think LSU is still hedging a bit, allowing themselves to fire him over the next few months if needed.
"Coach Wade is LSU's coach and he will have my 100 percent support."expresswrittenconsent said:
It will be interesting to see what comments Woodward makes about Wade.
Pumpkinhead said:
Wade getting his comeuppance can't come too soon for me.
You liked and supported Rick Pitino as well. Yes, college basketball recruiting appears to be a slimy industry but some guys go above and beyond the 'norm' and Wade appears to be one of them. Had Wade been the coach of a team that missed the NCAA last season, LSU would have no doubt cut him loose 'with cause'. But instead...here we are.Double Diamond said:
Will Wade is only doing what is the norm in big time college basketball.
