Bigger Flop: BK at A&M or Turge at Maryland?

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Both have been garbage.
jml2621
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Turge:

155-78 (.665) overall

67-53 (.558) In Conference - (ACC, B1G Ten) 3 NCAAs, 1 Sweet 16, 1 NIT


BK

128-92(.582) overall

53-63 (.457) In Conference (Big12, SEC) 1 NCAA, 1 Sweet 16, 1 NIT

The Winner...errrrr... Loser is BK

It is what it is.



If that's what we want, A&M should retain BK and watch things get even worse...


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Kennedy has easily been worse than Turgeon, though Turgeon hasn't been great. Still, Turgeon has won 24+ games in 4 out of 7 seasons and has 3 NCAA appearances.

Kennedy has been hot garbage in 6 out of 7 years.
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Turgeon wanted to be at a basketball school and he certainly has the scrutiny by the media up there . They thrive on his surliness.
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Mikeyshooter
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3 NCAAs out of 7 at Maryland

1 NCAA out of 7 at A&M

Given Maryland's history, resources, fan base I'm not sure which is worse.
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Kennedy is terrible. 7 yrs here and we are 10 games under 0.500 in league play. 24-12 in league the two years Stansbury was here and 29-51 in the 5 yrs without him. FRAUD.
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Mikeyshooter said:

3 NCAAs out of 7 at Maryland

1 NCAA out of 7 at A&M

Given Maryland's history, resources, fan base I'm not sure which is worse.

We have better resources than Maryland does now. Lefty Driesell was a really solid coach as well as Gary Williams...but Maryland only has 2 Final Fours, 4 Elite Eights, and 1 NC.

Williams refused to play the AAU game, so Turge had to start over.

Agreed Turge's sourpuss disposition suits Maryland better.
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jml2621 said:

Mikeyshooter said:

3 NCAAs out of 7 at Maryland

1 NCAA out of 7 at A&M

Given Maryland's history, resources, fan base I'm not sure which is worse.

We have better resources than Maryland does now. Lefty Driesell was a really solid coach as well as Gary Williams...but Maryland only has 2 Final Fours, 4 Elite Eights, and 1 NC.

Williams refused to play the AAU game, so Turge had to start over.

Agreed Turge's sourpuss disposition suits Maryland better.

Maryland has better support. But recruiting base is a wash at best. About the same to win here as there.

Keep in mind Turge's ACC record is far superior than BK's conference record... And that's with BK playing in a crap major conference most of his time here. Finally the rest of the SEC has gotten serious about it (except us and Georgia).
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Maryland isn't in the ACC anymore
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A&M has more resources than Maryland in basketball?

We know the situation here. Not sure having a comparison to Turgeon changes the outlook at A&M one way or the other.
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biobioprof said:

Maryland isn't in the ACC anymore
Yes- my bad part of the time, tougher ACC.

Still weird thinking of them in the Big 10. Still tougher conference play overall though.
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Kennedy has been worse and it's not all that close.

Folks overestimate the advantage Maryland has over A&M and folks overestimate the program that Turgeon took over.

Theee tournaments in a row is simply better than what we've done and it shows the ability to build a fairly consistent winning program.

This year has been a step back. They're still going for 20 wins in a down year.
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biobioprof said:

Maryland isn't in the ACC anymore


Well, when they were moving to the Big Ten, folks here thought they'd crash and burn.

The Big Ten their first year, at least, was very tough; and was much deeper in the second year than the SEC, too.
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Hop said:

A&M has more resources than Maryland in basketball?

We know the situation here. Not sure having a comparison to Turgeon changes the outlook at A&M one way or the other.


Then why does it matter if A&M has more resources or not?
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How often can Kennedy even get to 20 wins at this level?
biobioprof
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EXCELL
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Head coach always shields himself. ALWAYS.
or at least attempt to do so
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EXCELL said:

Head coach always shields himself. ALWAYS.
or at least attempt to do so

Except Sean Miller. Wow.
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Oh. And Turgeon is an average to poor MBB coach. BK is poor to bad.
jml2621
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Aston04 said:

jml2621 said:

Mikeyshooter said:

3 NCAAs out of 7 at Maryland

1 NCAA out of 7 at A&M

Given Maryland's history, resources, fan base I'm not sure which is worse.

We have better resources than Maryland does now. Lefty Driesell was a really solid coach as well as Gary Williams...but Maryland only has 2 Final Fours, 4 Elite Eights, and 1 NC.

Williams refused to play the AAU game, so Turge had to start over.

Agreed Turge's sourpuss disposition suits Maryland better.

Maryland has better support. But recruiting base is a wash at best. About the same to win here as there.

Keep in mind Turge's ACC record is far superior than BK's conference record... And that's with BK playing in a crap major conference most of his time here. Finally the rest of the SEC has gotten serious about it (except us and Georgia).

No question about it. Particularly given the overall quality of opponent.
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Mikeyshooter said:

3 NCAAs out of 7 at Maryland

1 NCAA out of 7 at A&M

Given Maryland's history, resources, fan base I'm not sure which is worse.


What's history got to do with it?
Method Man
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Turgeon isn't poor. He is a little too uptight and it shows up in the tourney.
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Turge has better results here than BK does.
Turge also has better results at Turtle City than BK does here.

BK is bigger bust.
Method Man
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7 of 11 tourneys? How many coaches in college ball have done that?
Double Diamond
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When Turgeon is overage to bad. The man wins 20+ year in and year out.
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TXAggie2011 said:

Hop said:

A&M has more resources than Maryland in basketball?

We know the situation here. Not sure having a comparison to Turgeon changes the outlook at A&M one way or the other.


Then why does it matter if A&M has more resources or not?


I didn't say here whether it mattered or not. I just found it surprising that somebody thinks A&M is higher on the totem pole than a basketball school like Maryland.
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Hop said:

TXAggie2011 said:

Hop said:

A&M has more resources than Maryland in basketball?

We know the situation here. Not sure having a comparison to Turgeon changes the outlook at A&M one way or the other.


Then why does it matter if A&M has more resources or not?


I didn't say here whether it mattered or not. I just found it surprising that somebody thinks A&M is higher on the totem pole than a basketball school like Maryland.
Maryland was actually a football school dating back to the 50s with conference and 2 national championships ( 1951, 1953). They *think* they're a basketball school, particularly when they were in a basketball conference (ACC), but their fans are as sour as Turge... and adept mostly at turning over and burning couches and cars.

The mid-70s teams (Elmore) were really good but never won a conference championship or even went to the NCAAs. The early 80s teams with Buck Williams then later with Len Bias won only the 1984 ACC crown. Maryland had 2 back to back Final Fours with Gary Williams...aka "Sweaty." But since then Williams and Turge have been winning at about the same rate.

Turge and the Ag fans just pissed off each other re: surliness. Turge also HATED the pre-season game in H-town. Hated it.
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jml2621 said:

Hop said:

TXAggie2011 said:

Hop said:

A&M has more resources than Maryland in basketball?

We know the situation here. Not sure having a comparison to Turgeon changes the outlook at A&M one way or the other.


Then why does it matter if A&M has more resources or not?


I didn't say here whether it mattered or not. I just found it surprising that somebody thinks A&M is higher on the totem pole than a basketball school like Maryland.
Maryland was actually a football school dating back to the 50s with conference and 2 national championships ( 1951, 1953). They *think* they're a basketball school, particularly when they were in a basketball conference (ACC), but their fans are as sour as Turge... and adept mostly at turning over and burning couches and cars.

The mid-70s teams (Elmore) were really good but never won a conference championship or even went to the NCAAs. The early 80s teams with Buck Williams then later with Len Bias won only the 1984 ACC crown. Maryland had 2 back to back Final Fours with Gary Williams...aka "Sweaty." But since then Williams and Turge have been winning at about the same rate.

Turge and the Ag fans just pissed off each other re: surliness. Turge also HATED the pre-season game in H-town. Hated it.

I lived in North Carolina in the 70s, and rooted for NC State. The reason Maryland never went to the NCAAs is because only the conference champion went back then. In fact, it was the 1974 ACC championship that prompted the expansion to 32 teams and allowed more than one team from the same conference to go to the tourney. In that game, NC State, with David Thompson, beat Maryland, with Elmore 103-100 in OT, a game many came to call the greatest college game ever played. Maryland was ranked #3 in the country and went home. NC State was ranked #2 and won the title, beating #1 UCLA.

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And it matters, Why.?
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CapCityAg89 said:

Oh. And Turgeon is an average to poor MBB coach. BK is poor to bad.

So if we had just average to poor coaching we would make the tournament every season like we did when turgeon was here?
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Please don't mention Kennedy in the same sentence with turgeon. Kennedy sucks. Turgeon won 24 games a year here and went to the dance every season.
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Kennedy in a landslide. No one worse!
gopitt
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If Turgeon was still here we would already have over 20 wins and a great shot at the Elite 8.
There is no comparison to Kennedy anywhere in the country. He is that bad
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The real head scratcher is that Kennedy recruited so much better here than Turgeon. If Turge had the players we have had the past 4 years we probably would have been to sweet 16 each year. But that's in him for not getting better players. He is a far superior coach to kennedy.
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Maryland is tough to figure. Gary Williams is a hall of fame caliber coach and he couldn't win there his last 4-5 years. The school clearly puts emphasis on basketball as opposed to football and I think that appealed to turgeon.
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