And here we go.

Copy of the 'Loan to Players' balance sheet.

Let's see:

Dennis Smith (NC State) got $43,500. Jarell Martin (LSU) got $52,472. Nerlens Noel (Kentucky) got $4,350, Elijah Johnson (Kansas) got $15,020....

This is only for players associated with ASM Sports? Do we know if other agencies were investigated?

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Schools identified by Yahoo! as possibly violating NCAA rules include Duke, North Carolina, Texas, Kentucky, Michigan State, USC and Kansas. At least 25 players are linked to impermissible benefits, including Michigan State's Miles Bridges, Alabama's Collin Sexton and Duke's Wendell Carter.

Other teams with current or former players who allegedly received payments were South Carolina, Louisville, Utah, Xavier, Wichita State, Clemson and Alabama. Other players named include former LSU guard Tim Quarterman, former Maryland center Diamond Stone and former Kentucky center Edrice "Bam" Adebayo.

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http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/22553502/fbi-probe-corruption-reveals-basketball-powers-broken-ncaa-rules

So these are loans from a sports agent. Why does this become a school infraction if it's not known to institutions?? I did not read article yet but this seems more like an outside sports agent infraction.it might not necessarily fall under institutions control issue.

If it was made outside the institution and without institutional knowledge players will still certainly be penalized and coaches and institutions might be as well.

Remember in the USC case they found them to be guilty of lax monitoring and failure to control athlete interaction with boosters & still dropped the hammer pretty hard to even though there was no direct evidence of institutional knowledge

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The timing of this release, right before conference tourneys, is just maximum chaos. Should be fun to follow along with this story

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Will definitely be interesting. My guess is the NCAA decides not to do anything regarding this year because now they'll have to do a huge dog and pony show where they create the committee to review the evidence, interview people etc...and we'll find out right after Duke wins the '19 championship that all these schools will be ineligible for the 2020 season.

ESPN article cites Sexton at Alabama

EDIT: Someone already made my joke...

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Kennedy has been slow playing this the entire time. All of these teams are going to be ruled inelligible and who's going to be left to claim the National Title?

Billy Kennedy - You Genius!

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That joke was already made on this thread.

Has anyone checked the UK/KU/MSU/etc boards for their take on this story? There could be some gold there.

Kentucky Sports Radio:

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Waking up to the news that three Kentucky players were listed in documents obtained by the FBI was jarring to say the least, but after a deep breath and an hour to digest the story, I'm not nearly as panicked as I was when my phone went off this morning. Let's break down the facts of what has been released and what to focus on going forward.

The facts
Nerlens Noel, Bam Adebayo, and Kevin Knox are all listed on financial documents from ASM Sports (Andy Miller's agency).

• Nerlens, who briefly employed Miller as his agent, is listed as taking a $4,350 loan
• Bam is listed as taking a $12,500 loan, but did not sign with ASM. In a separate document, he is listed as being a "bad loan" with a $36,500 monetary amount.
• Kevin Knox is one of several players listed on an expense report as meeting or having a meal with former ASM associate Christian Dawkins.

The immediate concern is Knox
It's important to point out that players are allowed to meet with agents; however, they are not allowed to accept money from them or have those agents pay for their meals. Yahoo did not post the actual expense report from Dawkins listing Knox, so it's unclear who paid. If Knox did let Dawkins buy him a meal, it's a violation and he could repay it and regain his eligibility; however, no one knows how the NCAA will handle any of this. Also, did UK already know about this, and if so, did they disclose it to the NCAA before the season began?

The big question now becomes
Will Knox play tomorrow?
If he does, UK must be confident everything checks out. If not, there may be something there.

Bam's involvement is by far the worst
According to these documents, Bam accepted either $12,500 or $36,500 from ASM, which was by their description a "bad loan" because he didn't sign with the agency. Obviously, this is a way bigger deal than Knox having a meal with Christian Dawkins. The timeline becomes very important here. Bam's $12,500 loan is listed on an expense report from December 31, 2015, so after he signed Kentucky (November 18, 2015). Did the payments come before or after that? If after, maybe it's a good thing Luke Maye hit that shot.

Nerlens' loan is the least of our worries
Nerlens was also listed on the December 31, 2015 expense report as taking a $4,350 loan from ASM, but Miller was his agent from June 2013 December 2016. A professional player taking a loan from his agent is the leas of Kentucky' worries right now.

A rundown of players from other major programs
It's definitely not just Kentucky:

• Dennis Smith, NC State $43,500 loan, total of $73,500
• Markelle Fultz, Washington, $10,000 loan
• Miles Bridges no specific amount, but per expense reports, "hundreds of dollars in advances"
• PJ Dozier, South Carolina at least $6,115
• Wendell Carter, Duke Met or had meals with Dawkins
• Collin Sexton, Alabama Met or had meals with Dawkins
• Tony Bradley, North Carolina Met or had meals with Dawkins

There are so many more.
No players from the 2011, 2012, 2014, or 2015 teams are listed
Which means for now, the banners are safe.

John Calipari is scheduled to talk to the media today
Calipari was scheduled to meet with reporters at 2:15 p.m. to preview tomorrow's game vs. Missouri. That has yet to be confirmed this morning, but knowing Cal, I expect it will. Select players were scheduled to meet with the media at 1:45 p.m., but given this morning's news, I doubt that happens.

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After reading that article, I was done reading words for the day.

Do the big schools really care about this discovery? North Carolina has demonstrated over a long period of time that the NCAA can be beaten. I maintain the two biggest components of the tu athletic program are it's journalism and law schools.

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Do the big schools really care about this discovery? North Carolina has demonstrated over a long period of time that the NCAA can be beaten. I maintain the two biggest components of the tu athletic program are it's journalism and law schools.

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This is the FBI, not the NCAA.

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Harry Dunne said:

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If it was made outside the institution and without institutional knowledge players will still certainly be penalized and coaches and institutions might be as well.

Remember in the USC case they found them to be guilty of lax monitoring and failure to control athlete interaction with boosters & still dropped the hammer pretty hard to even though there was no direct evidence of institutional knowledge

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Big difference in lax monitoring of boosters as opposed to outside agents. There's no way a school can stop meetings w outside agents...the assumption here is that none of the coaches were involved in setting up meeting.

If no knowledge or connection to the university can be made, this only affects the eligibility of the player.

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That's a pretty monumental "if" there.

The timing of these findings is rather interesting.

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With these latest allegations, it's clear this work is more important now than ever. The Board and I are completely committed to making transformational changes to the game and ensuring all involved in college basketball do so with integrity.

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Selection Sunday is in 3 weeks and I'm really curious as to what the NCAA will end up doing.

If Pitino's claim that he knew nothing of what was going on with his players then the NCAA should hand out similar punishment to other programs as well for the same reasons.

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The timing of these findings is rather interesting.

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With these latest allegations, it's clear this work is more important now than ever. The Board and I are completely committed to making transformational changes to the game and ensuring all involved in college basketball do so with integrity.

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Selection Sunday is in 3 weeks and I'm really curious as to what the NCAA will end up doing.

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Spoiler alert. It's nothing. They will do nothing prior to this April. Too much cash at stake.

tu will self impose and tournament ban this year.

But...but....the cleanest program in the NCAA! So rich and "The Joneses" that they never even HAVE to cheat!

AggieBaller98 said:

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The timing of these findings is rather interesting.

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With these latest allegations, it's clear this work is more important now than ever. The Board and I are completely committed to making transformational changes to the game and ensuring all involved in college basketball do so with integrity.

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Selection Sunday is in 3 weeks and I'm really curious as to what the NCAA will end up doing.

If Pitino's claim that he knew nothing of what was going on with his players then the NCAA should hand out similar punishment to other programs as well for the same reasons.

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No way they do that to all of these programs, that would kill the sport...NCAA is in a tough spot.

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Harry Dunne said:

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If it was made outside the institution and without institutional knowledge players will still certainly be penalized and coaches and institutions might be as well.

Remember in the USC case they found them to be guilty of lax monitoring and failure to control athlete interaction with boosters & still dropped the hammer pretty hard to even though there was no direct evidence of institutional knowledge

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Big difference in lax monitoring of boosters as opposed to outside agents. There's no way a school can stop meetings w outside agents...the assumption here is that none of the coaches were involved in setting up meeting.

If no knowledge or connection to the university can be made, this only affects the eligibility of the player.

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Not a big difference at all.

There is a bit of a higher duty for the school to stop boosters from interacting with athletes but at the end of the day ANYONE who has interests in the school is a booster and the school cannot be expected to monitor all of them. The bottom line is that there is no way the school can stop meetings with anyone. The expectation is that they educate properly and have an environment that actively discourages this type of thing.

When they don't have enough direct evidence but the facts show that the school or coaches looked the other way, they can still pop them.

I thought I heard on the radio the other day that the balance sheets are just part of the story. They also have people on tape from phone intercepts (FBI can do this, NCAA can't - I hope). It sounded like the radio guy was saying some of the people caught by the wiretaps might be coaches or assistants or that conversations with them might be referenced.

But take that with the NaCl of a badly remembered story heard on the radio while driving somewhere. I don't even remember what show it was. It was only on because it was on KZNE or WTAW which was left on from previous listening to some game.