Very interesting, any thoughts. What do you think will happen to UNC?
4 years probation for louisville
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The same thing that effectively happened to Louisville, nothing.
There's absolutely zero incentive not to cheat like hell in college sports.
There's absolutely zero incentive not to cheat like hell in college sports.
They may have that 2013 national title stripped from them. It sounds like they have a list of ineligible players from 2011-2014, and the NCAA has asked them to confirm which games those players participated in.
Pitino should pull a Pete Carroll at any moment now.
Does anyone really care if the NCAA strips a title from you?
Not really because everyone still knows that they won that game 4 years ago.
Yeah, exactly. This is a non-punishment. If they want to punish them then say they'll be ineligible for the postseason for the next two years if Pitino is still the coach.
Stripping wins/titles is not a punishment.
Stripping scholarships and taking away post-season eligibility for future season(s) would be a real punishment. Louisville of course did already sit out one post-season to try to avoid getting harsher penalties.
Stripping scholarships and taking away post-season eligibility for future season(s) would be a real punishment. Louisville of course did already sit out one post-season to try to avoid getting harsher penalties.
Pitino gets off with a slap on the wrist. When this news first broke a couple years ago Pitino went around and gave interviews about it saying he had no idea this was going on and it came as a shock when he found out. According to him it was all masterminded by this McGee guy without anyone's knowledge and without anyone putting him up to it and that somehow all of this went on and was kept completely on the down low, so much so that Pitino never even got wind of it.
Makes me sad that nobody called Pitino on his bull**** in the interviews and that he suffers virtually no consequences for lying like that.
Makes me sad that nobody called Pitino on his bull**** in the interviews and that he suffers virtually no consequences for lying like that.
To me it doesn't matter if he knew or not. If he didn't know, he should have, and the punishment should be the same.
You do all this and if you get caught you have to miss 5 games. Seems like the reward is certainly worth the risk. 5 games, who cares
I agree with you obviously but it's extra irritating to me that he publicly lied about it and the NCAA apparently accepted his narrative that he didn't know. It's really no different in my mind than Roger Clemens and his constant public denials about steroids.bobinator said:
To me it doesn't matter if he knew or not. If he didn't know, he should have, and the punishment should be the same.
bobinator said:
The same thing that effectively happened to Louisville, nothing.
There's absolutely zero incentive not to cheat like hell in college sports.
Pitino says he is going to appeal the punishment the NCAA assessed. Really? What punishment?
Makes me wonder what UNC will get, or ole miss in football, as a penalty. I don't know why I feel this way, but say if this was A&M football or basketball instead of Louisville I feel we would get destroyed by the NCAA. Maybe I'm overthinking it...
We wouldn't. Nobody gets destroyed by the NCAA anymore as long as they play along once they get caught. Ole Miss might be in some trouble because they seem to be denying everything, which is when the NCAA tends to crack down.
If the NCAA can prove you lied to them, then you're actually in trouble. Otherwise you throw some low level staffer under the bus, pretend nobody knew anything, MAYBE ban yourself from one postseason, and you're good to go.
If the NCAA can prove you lied to them, then you're actually in trouble. Otherwise you throw some low level staffer under the bus, pretend nobody knew anything, MAYBE ban yourself from one postseason, and you're good to go.
Nobody was punished for stuff up until the 80's either until the wrong team's ox was gored....SMU, Houston, Oklahoma, A&M. Hmmm, who is missing from the list?Quote:
We wouldn't. Nobody gets destroyed by the NCAA anymore as long as they play along once they get caught.
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There would be teeth to this punishment had the NCAA specified which years Louisville loses scholarships as opposed to allowing them to manage the roster over a 4-5 year period to basically bury the losses over a long time.
The NCAA should be handing out one year scholarship death penalties on some of these big offenses, i.e. you can keep playing the sport and your existing athletes can stay on schollie, but you will get 0 new scholarships to issue for a certain year. That is a real penalty that stings and will stay with you for several years.
I like this penalty idea also.DannyDuberstein said:
The NCAA should be handing out one year scholarship death penalties on some of these big offenses, i.e. you can keep playing the sport and your existing athletes can stay on schollie, but you will get 0 new scholarships to issue for a certain year. That is a real penalty that stings and will stay with you for several years.
That would be significant. Imagine if they had that penalty available to use against Ole Miss in football, no SEC team would have to worry about Ole Miss on the recruiting trail for a full recruiting cycle. That sends a message without punishing those players already on scholarship who had nothing to do with the infractions.bobinator said:I like this penalty idea also.DannyDuberstein said:
The NCAA should be handing out one year scholarship death penalties on some of these big offenses, i.e. you can keep playing the sport and your existing athletes can stay on schollie, but you will get 0 new scholarships to issue for a certain year. That is a real penalty that stings and will stay with you for several years.
I mean it does punish the people currently on scholarship some because their team is probably going to suck, but it doesn't punish them in the sense that can't keep playing or anything.
But I like it.
But I like it.
In a weird way, it might help recruiting the following year. "Hey Mr. Freshman badass. You want immediate playing time? Come to our school. We still have good players from when we cheated, and we didn't recruit anyone last year. You can play immediately"bobinator said:
I mean it does punish the people currently on scholarship some because their team is probably going to suck, but it doesn't punish them in the sense that can't keep playing or anything.
But I like it.
Saw this earlier today.
Retweeted Alan (@DerbyWill):
The Cardinals are Red/
And the Tar Heels are Blue/
Louisville is losing their Banner/
And Carolina should too!
Retweeted Alan (@DerbyWill):
The Cardinals are Red/
And the Tar Heels are Blue/
Louisville is losing their Banner/
And Carolina should too!
Still defiant!
http://www.kentucky.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/john-clay/article156398574.html
Mikesyracuse1
http://www.kentucky.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/john-clay/article156398574.html
Mikesyracuse1
Louisville is going to lose the 2013 banner.bobinator said:
The same thing that effectively happened to Louisville, nothing.
There's absolutely zero incentive not to cheat like hell in college sports.
bobinator said:
Does anyone really care if the NCAA strips a title from you?
Yes. Every Walmart and diehard fan at UNC does.
Pumpkinhead said:
Stripping wins/titles is not a punishment.
Stripping scholarships and taking away post-season eligibility for future season(s) would be a real punishment. Louisville of course did already sit out one post-season to try to avoid getting harsher penalties.
The hell it's not.
I think Pitino got off light...but losing the 2013 banner is huge. USC can't claim their 2004 NC. Massive black eye.
UNC is all about the banners. More than their academics. More than their reputation.
Well played.mikesyracuse1 said:
Saw this earlier today.
Retweeted Alan (@DerbyWill):
The Cardinals are Red/
And the Tar Heels are Blue/
Louisville is losing their Banner/
And Carolina should too!
These types of situations always bring out the best in Rick Pitino and his press conference yesterday was no exception. Did you know the NCAA gave Jimmy V cancer?
To his credit, Rick did manage to avoid bringing up 9/11 or Ted Kennedy's death so I guess he's getting better.Quote:
"I'll finish up with this story. I once saw Jimmy Valvano, and this was way before he got sick and I recommended him for a pro job and he was coaching some tough times at NC State. I saw him later on when he was just getting sick and I said, 'Jim, how do you feel?' And he said, 'You know, the NCAA investigation broke down my immune system.'
Pitino is a disgusting individual and a stain on the college basketball community.WildcatAg said:
These types of situations always bring out the best in Rick Pitino and his press conference yesterday was no exception. Did you know the NCAA gave Jimmy V cancer?To his credit, Rick did manage to avoid bringing up 9/11 or Ted Kennedy's death so I guess he's getting better.Quote:
"I'll finish up with this story. I once saw Jimmy Valvano, and this was way before he got sick and I recommended him for a pro job and he was coaching some tough times at NC State. I saw him later on when he was just getting sick and I said, 'Jim, how do you feel?' And he said, 'You know, the NCAA investigation broke down my immune system.'
Ben Diamond assured me nothing would come of this witch hunt
wacarnolds said:
Ben Diamond assured me nothing would come of this witch hunt
He's having a rough time with this.
Hop said:
There would be teeth to this punishment had the NCAA specified which years Louisville loses scholarships as opposed to allowing them to manage the roster over a 4-5 year period to basically bury the losses over a long time.
Also, the NCAA should mandate that lost athletic scholarships be transferred somehow to scholarships for non-athletes; as it is now, they are just gone and no students (athletes or not) benefit from them.
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