"But it isn't a difficult shot. Other than an open layup or dunk it's the most efficient shot on the floor."
Not true... It totally depends on the shooter. DeAndre Jordan should never shoot a corner three. LaMarcus Aldridge is highly efficient at a mid-range jumper, but is not very effective even at corner 3s...

We're talking about in general, not for one specific player. Obviously if you can't shoot threes, then you shouldn't shoot threes from the corner... But if you can shoot threes, the corner is usually the best place to shoot them.

Method Man said:

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bobinator said:

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This is where we make the final four and someone does an ESPN story talking about how despite the protests of fans, A&M's proprietary algorithms actually explain Kennedy's bizarre substitution patterns.

Between roster turnover, quality of competition and lack of games I can't imagine there's enough useful data to help much in college basketball.

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There's plenty on kenpom alone...much less if films are broken down by the coaches.

bobinator said:

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Yeah, even taking out the lack of games between good teams and how many garbage teams out there would foul up the data, a lot of advanced stat stuff works because most of the measurable events in baseball are independent of one another and there are a lot of them.

Neither of those are true in basketball.

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These are damn good excuses for BK's lack of game prep and bizarre rotations...

DD88 said:

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You can apparently coordinate time stamps with shot locations, misses/makes, player substitutions, rebounds, steals, fouls and do a lot of advanced analysis that will reveal patterns just from what is available to fans:

KY vs. A&M 3/4/16 Stats

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Yep - it's isn't "rocket surgery," as I heard a coach once say....

AggieBaller98 said:

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Even if the 3 point line is closer at the corners, it is a difficult shot to make because it's a set shot not necessarily a jump shot. Muscle memory is much more important than anything else with this shot because of the angle.

There's only 3 feet between the 3 point shot line and the out-of-bounce line. I'd be curious to see the number of turnovers that happen because a guy accidentally steps out-of-bounce while trying to put up a 3 point shot.

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It's a good shot if open. In the NBA the corner shot is preferable.

For the college game, analytics give some good overall takeaways, but nothing specific to a player or roster.

An overall takeaway would be ranking the scoring efficiency of different shots. A few aspects have been mentioned already, but knowing how to weight an open shot off the dribble vs a contested spot up gives some idea of the other variables that can be measured.

When it comes to player/roster/lineup analysis though, I'm not sure there is a big enough sample size to ever do much. Between the low number of games in a season, high variation in opponent quality, short tenure of players in college basketball (let alone tenure at a single school), tenure of coaches, rapid skill development in a single season, the "gelling" process that teams go through early in the year... drawing a valid conclusion and then coaching part time athletes to take advantage of it will be very tough.

It's not the NBA where many players spend 8-10 years playing 70-100 games per season at a relatively static skill level against nba talent every night. You can develop a good statistical basis for a strategy AND the players are around long enough to take advantage of it.

Anything you can do at the college level won't get much past normal scouting.

Also, RE: the corner three, a lot of pickup players (including myself) don't like it because of the lack of perspective, but we also don't take hundreds or thousands of practice shots every week for months at a time. Bruce Bowen (the archetypal corner three-and-D player) was inept on offense but I bet he could hit 30% from the corner shooting blindfolded. Perspective doesn't matter so much.

mdanyc03 said:

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My understanding is that the head of analytics of the Houston Rockets (ie maybe the most analytics focused team in the NBA) is the father of Braden Mann, the kicker on the football team.

Doesn't have anything to do with A&M using analytics, but just a random semi relevant interesting fact (at least I think I remember it being true) for the day...

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Yes and RC Buford is the GM of the Spurs! We hire 120 year old offensive specialists to do our analytics.

I'm sure every program with resources where it makes sense likely employs analytics among its staff for scouting and other such things (but as others mention above, the problem is the data and how good it actually can be).

However...if you're talking about implementing something like the analytics philosophy or rather a decision science based philosophy like you see with organizations like the Astros and Rockets...well, that just isn't going to be there unless you have a head coach that's into that kind of thing. There are many college teams you watch play and I think that those coaches are obviously into the decision sciences side, but its not really out in the open except some really low level teams doing some wacky stuff. Our coach is definitely not one of those based on how the team is built and the philosophy we play with, IMO.

Also, this definitely exists in college football. The Air Raid/Spread offenses are basically advancements in philosophy based on analytics or decision sciences, and our program, while not as extreme as some, definitely has a coach from that wing of philosophy

GE said:

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House's shot selection says no.