and that is why A&M struggled, not coaching. You have Kentucky and Florida in the sweet 16, while Arkansas was a bad call away from pushing UNC to the buzzer and S Carolina is giving Duke all they want now.
O/U on when staff/Hop tell us how good the SEC was this year
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We are what we are. But maybe the conference was a little underrated?
Top of the conference looking strong. Ags weren't close to the top.
We finished 10th.....
10th.....
We sucked...Our only impressive win was against va tech...Everything else was pitiful
All of which was done with arguably the best front court in school history
10th.....
We sucked...Our only impressive win was against va tech...Everything else was pitiful
All of which was done with arguably the best front court in school history
Truly baffling how UF and SC were totally unwatchable all year because of their terrible offenses, and yet they show up in the tournament scoring with ease.
If the SEC turns out to be a little stronger then previously thought it still wont change the fact that
BK is a below average coach with many holes is his approach
BK should have been fired years ago
This is the most ideal time based on roster talent/age for BK to step aside
BK wont step aside right now
BK is a below average coach with many holes is his approach
BK should have been fired years ago
This is the most ideal time based on roster talent/age for BK to step aside
BK wont step aside right now
There's no question that the conference was substantially improved from last year.
On a related note, the recent hires suggest that the SEC will continue to improve. ADs aren't screwing around with hires like Howland, White, and Avery (even if Avery doesn't ultimately work out, that was a swing for the fences hire, as opposed to a bland, riskless one).
On a related note, the recent hires suggest that the SEC will continue to improve. ADs aren't screwing around with hires like Howland, White, and Avery (even if Avery doesn't ultimately work out, that was a swing for the fences hire, as opposed to a bland, riskless one).
Kenpom had Florida in at 26 for offensive efficiency.Hickory High said:
Truly baffling how UF and SC were totally unwatchable all year because of their terrible offenses, and yet they show up in the tournament scoring with ease.
South Carolina was dreadful; no argument there.
Duke sucks at defense
halfastros81 said:
Top of the conference looking strong. Ags weren't close to the top.
...and we didn't even play KY, FL, or USCe twice!
Method Man said:
Duke sucks at defense
Yeah, I kept telling of my buddies who picked Duke to go to the Final Four that they're a terrible defensive rebounding team. Every game of theirs that I watched this season, they got obliterated on the glass.
We played Kentucky twicejml2621 said:halfastros81 said:
Top of the conference looking strong. Ags weren't close to the top.
...and we didn't even play KY, FL, or USCe twice!
Method Man said:
Duke sucks at defense
Zone was a dumb mistake, even with foul trouble. Allen and Kennard's perimeter D was pretty awful.
Not protecting the ball was more of a problem. SC got a lot of semi break buckets and fouls drawn.
PatAg said:We played Kentucky twicejml2621 said:halfastros81 said:
Top of the conference looking strong. Ags weren't close to the top.
...and we didn't even play KY, FL, or USCe twice!
Oops. Well, we only showed up ONCE!
Um no, it's coaching.
Yea I thought about making that comment, haha. So sad.jml2621 said:PatAg said:We played Kentucky twicejml2621 said:halfastros81 said:
Top of the conference looking strong. Ags weren't close to the top.
...and we didn't even play KY, FL, or USCe twice!
Oops. Well, we only showed up ONCE!
South Carolina had not won an NCAA tournament game in 44 years. Now they just got 2 wins in the last 48 hours including over a 2-seed Duke.
What an awesome high that must be for their fans. South Carolina may be the best story in the Sweet Sixteen.
And one of these 4 teams is now guaranteed to be in the Final Four: Baylor, Florida, South Carolina, or Michigan.
What an awesome high that must be for their fans. South Carolina may be the best story in the Sweet Sixteen.
And one of these 4 teams is now guaranteed to be in the Final Four: Baylor, Florida, South Carolina, or Michigan.
Pumpkinhead said:
South Carolina had not won an NCAA tournament game in 44 years. Now they just got 2 wins in the last 48 hours including over a 2-seed Duke.
What an awesome high that must be for their fans.
And one of these 4 teams is now guaranteed to be in the Final Four: Baylor, Florida, South Carolina, or Michigan.
It's what makes March Madness. Props to Frank Martin. Someone check all the ERs for hop.
Why would you taunt him after hours? (For sure I'll take the over)
Thornwell, mcKie, and Duane Notice are all seniors, so I am not convinced that South Carolina won't fall back to missing the NCAAT again next year. It will be very difficult to replace those guys.
But right now is what matters and right now....one of Baylor, Florida, South Carolina, or Michigan is going to Final Four...and the Gamecocks are playing well enough right now to realistically beat any of those teams.
I would love to see South Carolina in Final Four. I hate Baylor, and Florida and Michigan already have had a taste of recent basketball success. Those programs have been there, done that. But South Carolina making Final Four would be a great Cinderella story and I am all-in.
But right now is what matters and right now....one of Baylor, Florida, South Carolina, or Michigan is going to Final Four...and the Gamecocks are playing well enough right now to realistically beat any of those teams.
I would love to see South Carolina in Final Four. I hate Baylor, and Florida and Michigan already have had a taste of recent basketball success. Those programs have been there, done that. But South Carolina making Final Four would be a great Cinderella story and I am all-in.
Wisconsin, not Michigan
Pumpkinhead said:
Thornwell, mcKie, and Duane Notice are all seniors, so I am not convinced that South Carolina won't fall back to missing the NCAAT again next year. It will be very difficult to replace those guys.
But right now is what matters and right now....one of Baylor, Florida, South Carolina, or Michigan is going to Final Four...and the Gamecocks are playing well enough right now to realistically beat any of those teams.
I would love to see South Carolina in Final Four. I hate Baylor, and Florida and Michigan already have had a taste of recent basketball success. Those programs have been there, done that. But South Carolina making Final Four would be a great Cinderella story and I am all-in.
When they feel bad, USCe might just be able to look at their Final Four banner in the rafters. Seems like USCe and Michigan are the hottest teams. We'll see.
I've been in Greenville all weekend for the tournament. Very entertaining games and the nightcap was a tale of two halves. 23 pts on the first half and 69 plus in the 2nd half for SC. That region has shaped up nicely for SC.
Mikesyracuse1
Mikesyracuse1
Let's see: UCLA, UKx2, Carolina, Fla, WVU, Zona. Not claiming this is a moral victory, but we played seven against eventual S16 teams this year. In a better year we ought to have won as many as half of those and our team looked pretty good in a couple of the games. Add in games against other NCAA teams--USC, VTech, Arkx2, Vandyx3 (including SECT)--we definitely had a slate of 14 games that could have qualified us for the Dance. Regrettably that led to 1 W and 13 Ls. If half of those losses had been wins we likely would have been in. Even taking into account our other losses.
If we accept this was a rebuild, that is a foundation to keep in mind next year.
Edit: missed Vandy
If we accept this was a rebuild, that is a foundation to keep in mind next year.
Edit: missed Vandy
mgmgrand said:
Wisconsin, not Michigan
Oops, yeah meant Wisconsin.
greg.w.h said:
Let's see: UCLA, UKx2, Carolina, Fla, WVU, Zona. Not claiming this is a moral victory, but we played seven against eventual S16 teams this year. In a better year we ought to have won as many as half of those and our team looked pretty good in a couple of the games. Add in games against other NCAA teams--USC, VTech, Arkx2--we definitely had a slate of 11 games that could have qualified us for the Dance. Regrettably that led to 1 W and 10 Ls. If 5 of those losses had been wins we likely would have been in. Even taking into account our other losses.
If we accept this was a rebuild, that is a foundation to keep in mind next year.
Nice moral victory post. No, I won't keep a 1-10 record in mind as a foundation for any future success
Oh, and Sandhop might explode. He needs to claim the SEC is good, but he decided 5 years ago that Frank Martin would never get to the tournament
Of the five teams the Ags played twice, three of them were tournament teams: Arkansas, Kentucky, and Vanderbilt. We also played USC when they were really playing well at the beginning of the conference schedule and on the road. And we played UF on the road before they lost their big man. Given the current results in the tournament, our overall schedule was pretty strong.
I think the tournament shows again how important guard play is. We had no one who could penetrate and score at the rim or effectively dump off consistently. We also couldn't stop those really quick guards from doing that to us. So we could maximize our strong front court.
I think the tournament shows again how important guard play is. We had no one who could penetrate and score at the rim or effectively dump off consistently. We also couldn't stop those really quick guards from doing that to us. So we could maximize our strong front court.
That explains it: everyone was better than us. I feel better now.
What I said was only repairing wins with tournament teams would have gotten us in. That's not a moral victory claim. It's a direct spotlight on the fact we had a good enough schedule if we won about 5 more. That's it.
I recognize people who absolutely despise the current situation actually are incapable of any form of logic. So I'll give you a pass.
I recognize people who absolutely despise the current situation actually are incapable of any form of logic. So I'll give you a pass.
The SEC still wasn't very good, but we always knew Florida and Kentucky were good and that South Carolina and Arkansas could be really good on a given night.
The league is definitely getting better though. It absolutely sucked last year.
The league is definitely getting better though. It absolutely sucked last year.
Playing tournament teams close is not a sign of a program on the cusp of greatness.
I repeat, playing tournament teams close is not a sign of a program on the cusp of greatness.
Go reference Melvin Watkins' 2004 team.
I repeat, playing tournament teams close is not a sign of a program on the cusp of greatness.
Go reference Melvin Watkins' 2004 team.
How nice of the committee to have put SCe in Greenville.
free_mhayden said:
Playing tournament teams close is not a sign of a program on the cusp of greatness.
I repeat, playing tournament teams close is not a sign of a program on the cusp of greatness.
Go reference Melvin Watkins' 2004 team.
It isn't. But five or six wins out of 13 that got away could have put us in the tournament. Which is the point I was making.
I think adding personnel (PG, another guard who can drive) should result in--even with BK as HC--a few more wins. The question is whether the loss of the seniors actually put this into a rebuild year. I think without Caldwell it was and it could be remedied with Caldwell and Flagg by themselves. More triangulation of course if we lose three or four.
greg.w.h said:free_mhayden said:
Playing tournament teams close is not a sign of a program on the cusp of greatness.
I repeat, playing tournament teams close is not a sign of a program on the cusp of greatness.
Go reference Melvin Watkins' 2004 team.
It isn't. But five or six wins out of 13 that got away could have put us in the tournament. Which is the point I was making.
I think we all agree that improvement at point guard (or any position) should improve the team overall... But that's the case for pretty much every team in the nation.
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