Weekend hoops thread/bubble talk

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bobinator
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Next to last Saturday of conference ball for most teams.

Currently Bracket Matrix has the bubble as: (meaning anyone that appears in less than 100% of brackets)

Wichita State
Michigan State
Kansas State
Cal
Seton Hall
Marquette
Syracuse
Middle Tennessee
TCU
Illinois State
---- cut line ----
Providence
Georgia Tech
Wake Forest
Vanderbilt
Clemson
Tennessee
Rhose Island
Houston

Notes/thoughts:

When you list teams like this, it can create a few false impressions. For example, 107 bracketologists have Cal and Seton Hall in the field, but as a group they have them seeded lower than Kansas State. Kansas State has a higher average seed, but only appears in 97 brackets.

It can also create a sense of closeness that may not actually exist. For example, there's a pretty big jump in the number of brackets that Kansas State appears in (97) and the number TCU and Illinois State appear in (73 and 74.) There's another big jump between those two teams, and the teams below the cut off. Right now, that line is pretty clear for most bracketology people. Providence and Georgia Tech only appear in 41 brackets.

As long as Wichita doesn't lose to Missouri State tomorrow you'd have to think they're in even if they don't win Arch Madness, but Middle Tennessee is a lot closer to the cut line if they don't win the C-USA Tournament. Illinois State might be in a position where they need to win Arch Madness, which could create some drama in that tournament. I think if they reach the final and play Wichita, they'll both probably end up in the field.

TCU has a good chance to play themselves up off the cut line if they can beat WVU at home on Saturday. They also have a crucial game at home next Wednesday against Kansas State.

Georgia Tech is one of the few teams that's currently out that has a decent chance to play their win without getting any help. They have games at Syracuse and Notre Dame left on the schedule.

Wake Forest might be another, but they're off this weekend, which is weird.

Another one, believe it or not, is Vandy. They still play both @Kentucky and at home against Florida.

Clemson and Tennessee probably can't play in without other teams playing their way out, and the bubble probably realistically ends there unless some weird stuff happens over the next couple of weeks.
bobinator
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Clemson/Florida State is probably the most important 11 game unless Wichita is losing to Missouri State.
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Why in the world is Tennessee even in the conversation? Their record is 14 and 13 ( their win over Chaminade doesn't count) and they have lost four out of their last six games. They only have one impressive win against an overrated Kentucky team by two at home.

I guess it just shows how easy it is to get into the NCAA tournament.
bobinator
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I also don't think the committee will like Tennessee as much as the bracketologists seem to, but I'm trying to keep my personal thoughts out of this as much as possible and just use the national group think
Method Man
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Love bubble talk. Sorry bob
bobinator
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Method Man said:

None of those teams are missing a PG


Just... why?
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How about some NIT and CBI bracketology?
bobinator
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I've been thinking about taking a stab at NIT bracketology just for fun. Maybe tomorrow evening while I'm sitting around I'll make a run at it.
CapCityAg89
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Just so passive aggressive around here.

Thanks for a good post Bob.

And on college game day this morning they talked about the absence of really good wins nationally. That may be why the UT win stands out. Also, they said the lack of a bad loss is a de facto "good win". Just a weak bubble this year. The Mids just don't look good.
Method Man
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Historically, I've noticed big wins are valued more than bad losses hurt.
CapCityAg89
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Method Man said:

Historically, I've noticed big wins are valued more than bad losses hurt.

I agree with this. The point is of the teams in Bob's list, on KSU had quality wins (WVU and Baylor). I looked through a handful of the other schedules and nada. It's just odd.
mikesyracuse1
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Hop said:

How about some NIT and CBI bracketology?


http://www.nycbuckets.com/current-nit-bracketology/

Current NIT Bracketology

This is the official NIT Bracketology of the 2017 tournament by NYC Buckets. It was published on Feb. 20, 2017.

Have Auto Bid (If Necessary): Monmouth (MAAC), Vermont (America East), Bucknell (Patriot League), Belmont (Ohio Valley), Florida Gulf Coast (Atlantic Sun)

Not Projected .500: NC State, Iowa, Vanderbilt, Stanford, Tulsa, Connecticut, Penn State

NIT Tournament Bracket:

Bold: Automatic Bid
Italics: Bubble Teams

1. Seton Hall
8. Memphis
4. Mississippi
5. Charleston
3. Ohio St.
6. New Mexico St.
2. Indiana
7. Texas A&M

1. Rhode Island
8. San Francisco
4. Georgia
5. Illinois
3. Georgia Tech
6. Auburn
2. Providence
7. Arkansas St.

1. Syracuse
8. St. Bonaventure
4. New Mexico
5. Texas Tech
3. Utah
6. BYU
2. Boise St.
7. Colorado

1. Tennessee
8. Colorado St.
4. Pittsburgh
5. Alabama
3. Georgetown
6. San Diego St.
2. Clemson
7. Chattanooga

Considered: Iona, Oakland, Lousiana Tech, Winthrop, Mississippi State, UCF, Temple, Richmond, George Mason

CBI/CIT: This list will be updated as we get closer to the postseason.
Tobias Funke
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Pretty much all I'm hoping for at this point is an NIT matchup at Ohio state so I can go watch the ags play live in the postseason for the first time in like 10 years
Yell Practice
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NIT ??
Tobias Funke
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Yes, Yell Practice. It's the National Invitation Tournament.
Method Man
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What makes that official, Mike?
mikesyracuse1
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Method Man said:

What makes that official, Mike?


I have no idea. I was just trying to save Aubrey Bobinator some work.

Mikesyracuse1
CapCityAg89
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In the spirit of weekend conversation - how many times has Miami upset Duke at home? Coach K has gotta hate going down there. Too much south beach for the Dookies?
Method Man
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mikesyracuse1 said:

Method Man said:

What makes that official, Mike?


I have no idea. I was just trying to save Aubrey Bobinator some work.

Mikesyracuse1


Mighty kind. Id like to see his work to compare though so get to it Bob.
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CapCityAg89 said:

In the spirit of weekend conversation - how many times has Miami upset Duke at home? Coach K has gotta hate going down there. Too much south beach for the Dookies?


They played without Allen today, but I was glad to see Miami win
txag72
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Strangely, we are a 6 seed in this one but still play Indiana as a 3 seed.
chipotle
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NIT is the aqua man of tournaments
jml2621
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Hop said:

How about some NIT and CBI bracketology?
Gotta admit. That's funny.
miller0926
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Northwestern fans are starting to sweat now.
jml2621
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txag72 said:



Strangely, we are a 6 seed in this one but still play Indiana as a 3 seed.
Only 32 teams in the field, genius.
TangoMike
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jml2621 said:

txag72 said:



Strangely, we are a 6 seed in this one but still play Indiana as a 3 seed.
Only 32 teams in the field, genius.


He meant the 7-2/6-3 in different brackets but with the same matchup, genius
W
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water continuing to find its level in Waco.

Baylor started 15-0...now 23-6.

just 3-5 in their last 8 games.

should be down to a #3 or #4 seed
txag72
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Quote:


He meant the 7-2/6-3 in different brackets but with the same matchup, genius
Thanks. Brackets are pretty complicated.
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