And if a coach after 3 years isn't doing that they need to be gone. Currently I don't think we have a coach doing that in any sport. Why do we settle for less?
Maroon Dawn said:
Basketball here will never overcome our lack of history until we are willing to go whip out Kansas/Kentucky level money for a coach because we don't have the history, facilities or fans to attract an elite coach here otherwise
Agnzona said:
And if a coach after 3 years isn't doing that they need to be gone. Currently I don't think we have a coach doing that in any sport. Why do we settle for less?
Method Man said:
We need to change our colors to blue if we want to be great at bball.
Iowaggie said:
It's amazing how the blue bloods in basketball stay at the top while there is a rotation of challengers. Probably more in basketball than in football, or maybe about the same.
Duke, NC, Kansas, Kentucky, UCLA., Mich St (and more)..and then these good to great, well financed athletic departments that rotate to the top in basketball (MIchigan, Florida, Ohio State) but don't perennially stay there.
In other words, here is little in history that suggests A&M should be consistently in the Top 20.
It's not delusional to demand a perennial NCAA Tournament team, with the resources we have.bobinator said:
If you think we should be a perennial top 20 basketball program you're tragically delusional
Hop said:Iowaggie said:
It's amazing how the blue bloods in basketball stay at the top while there is a rotation of challengers. Probably more in basketball than in football, or maybe about the same.
Duke, NC, Kansas, Kentucky, UCLA., Mich St (and more)..and then these good to great, well financed athletic departments that rotate to the top in basketball (MIchigan, Florida, Ohio State) but don't perennially stay there.
In other words, here is little in history that suggests A&M should be consistently in the Top 20.
A few years ago, I had a client from Kansas who was a big Jayhawk fan and a season ticket holder. He needed to come visit me in CS and I offered to take him to the A&M-Kansas game at Reed. I have first row mid-court seats.
So we get to my seats and he is pumped to have such good seats. He said his season tickets were about even with the backboard and halfway up the arena. He paid about $20,000 a year for his tickets. He then asked me what my court side tickets cost, and I said about a grand. His jaw dropped. I asked him what it would cost to have my seats at Kansas. He said about $250,000.
That tells you why Kansas, UNC, Kentucky will always be blue bloods...$$$$$$$
Yeah I don't agree with this at all. The number one factor in creating a program is money, because money drives everything. Pay for top notch head coaches, pay for top notch assistants, and pay for top notch facilities and success will come. And fortunately for A&M, we have **** tons of money, though generated by football, that can be allocated to basketball. So even if someone pays $250k for courtside seats at the phog, we sold something like 16 $10m suites, so bring it on Kansas. As it relates to resources, we're a top 5-10 athletic department in the country.bobinator said:
There's a gulf between "perennial top 20" and "perennial tournament team." The latter is a reasonable goal for our program. There's no reason we can't be in the mix for the tournament almost every year. The former is delusional.
I completely agree.Maroon Dawn said:
Basketball here will never overcome our lack of history until we are willing to go whip out Kansas/Kentucky level money for a coach because we don't have the history, facilities or fans to attract an elite coach here otherwise
Method Man said:
Hop I bet you could get really good seats for KU football, though.
Yeah, that sounded a bit exaggerated. Also, Hop, you said "$20,000 a year for his tickets." Is that 2 or 4 tickets?miller0926 said:Hop said:Iowaggie said:
It's amazing how the blue bloods in basketball stay at the top while there is a rotation of challengers. Probably more in basketball than in football, or maybe about the same.
Duke, NC, Kansas, Kentucky, UCLA., Mich St (and more)..and then these good to great, well financed athletic departments that rotate to the top in basketball (MIchigan, Florida, Ohio State) but don't perennially stay there.
In other words, here is little in history that suggests A&M should be consistently in the Top 20.
A few years ago, I had a client from Kansas who was a big Jayhawk fan and a season ticket holder. He needed to come visit me in CS and I offered to take him to the A&M-Kansas game at Reed. I have first row mid-court seats.
So we get to my seats and he is pumped to have such good seats. He said his season tickets were about even with the backboard and halfway up the arena. He paid about $20,000 a year for his tickets. He then asked me what my court side tickets cost, and I said about a grand. His jaw dropped. I asked him what it would cost to have my seats at Kansas. He said about $250,000.
That tells you why Kansas, UNC, Kentucky will always be blue bloods...$$$$$$$
Ummm you sure he isn't talking about how much he would need to donate to qualify to buy those seats? There is no way in hell that season tickets cost that much. I looked at an article from 2014 and their most expensive ticket is $1600. http://www.kuathletics.com/sports/2014/1/13/GEN_0113141842.aspx
Drain the Swamp.drevans956 said:
Kennedy, Sumlin, Childress, Corbelli, etc.... you think they are the all we need to win coaches?
bobinator said:
There's a gulf between "perennial top 20" and "perennial tournament team." The latter is a reasonable goal for our program. There's no reason we can't be in the mix for the tournament almost every year. The former is delusional.
john32f said:
I'd argue we were close to a top 20 program under BCG and then Turgeon. We were falling off, especially in 2011, primarily because interest was waning due to Turgeon not winning big games (his anemic recruiting and offense the main drivers) but we were generating close to top 25 results.
jml2621 said:
One thing to keep in mind is that
Alabama
Auburn
Tennessee
Miss State
made significant recent upgrades in coaching.
Unless we do, we're a 1 in 5 year NCAAT team.