Redstone said:
The very fact that only one person was prosecuted for the scheme raises the possibility of anti-Chinese bigotry, which is especially unfortunate given what so many Chinese already face in Indonesia.
Second, no true connoisseur of wine would be fooled by forgery. Most unbelievable part of the film.
Whoop04 said:
BSD, beware the troll!
I wish I had the opportunity to experience that!wessimo said:
Says a lot about the diminishing utility of extreme wealth.
I would think anytime you open a bottle of DRC, the occasion would be made special.BSD said:Inspector Spacetime said:
What domaine is that? Just curious..
Romanee Conti. I've bought an assortment for my son's birthyear and a few other one-off bottles for special occasions.
wasn't the younger guy some finance/hedge fund guy?FtBendTxAg said:
Back on topic, that was a very entertaining documentary.
I can't get over the level of Dewshiness of the producer guy and his handler or whoever that other younger idiot was
yes, he bought several lots at auction of real wine, and that was the impetus for his acceptance in the "collector" scene. plus, he gave some of that away (shared it) and I'm sure used some to profile the wines he was faking.BSD said:
What the movie didn't mention was that they raided Rudy K's offsite storage and found 5300 bottles of wine, of which only a few hundred were fake. They auctioned those off and used the proceeds to pay back victims.
I just watched it last night and thought it was pretty insane as well. Many people remarked about how amazing his palate is, and it certainly would have to be because his forgeries were all blended to taste very close to the real thing. I believe I remember Laurent Ponsot saying something towards the end that there were something like 15,000 bottles that Rudy had sold, and given that it likely took him an hour to forge each bottle, there was no way they could have all been counterfeit...but at the end they say there could be up to 10,000 bottles that he had sold still in collections that could be forgeries.bularry said:yes, he bought several lots at auction of real wine, and that was the impetus for his acceptance in the "collector" scene. plus, he gave some of that away (shared it) and I'm sure used some to profile the wines he was faking.BSD said:
What the movie didn't mention was that they raided Rudy K's offsite storage and found 5300 bottles of wine, of which only a few hundred were fake. They auctioned those off and used the proceeds to pay back victims.
He actually must have a fairly incredible wine palate.
Does anyone know how many bottles he and his brothers/accomplices actually created?
Did Koch sue any auction houses? I know he sued that one Chicago chef that sold Rudy wines from his cellar when he closed the restaurant. Koch claimed the chef had to know they were fake but sold them as authentic anyway. Can't recall how that was resolved.
I found the documentary utterly fascinating.
This video seems relevant:Redstone said:
The very fact that only one person was prosecuted for the scheme raises the possibility of anti-Chinese bigotry, which is especially unfortunate given what so many Chinese already face in Indonesia.
Second, no true connoisseur of wine would be fooled by forgery. Most unbelievable part of the film.
Yep. This is insightful for sure.wessimo said:
Thought it was kind of interesting that Koch spent a crap ton of money on wines he'll never drink (the TJ wines are vinegar by now anyway) and then had to hire investigators to figure out whether what he bought was even legit. Says a lot about the diminishing utility of extreme wealth.
jetch17 said:
We watched this tonight. Very interesting and entertaining.
Also, don't F*** with Bill Koch apparently
