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Whats in your wine cellar?

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cecil77
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And that's what it's going to take, thousands of individual buying decisions, to bring some sanity to the market.

And I full well understand that each of our "that's insane!" levels are different... I know people that think thirty bucks for a bottle of wine is insane...
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My grandfather drinks white wine exclusively. Red collection is exactly 12 bottles. He gave them to me today to research and tell him what, exactly, was still suitable to serve to a guest and take anything I want.

One, a 2013 J Lohr something or other had actually been opened at some point and then left. Trash.

5 more mass market/un-noteworthy reds.

6 of some interest:

The 1980 BV Beau Tour was probably not great to begin with so not holding out high hopes there.

1987 Robert Pepi Vine Hill Ranch Cab, potentially interesting.

1964 Bonne Reserve Beaujolais has to be WAY past prime!

2008 Chateau De Chassagne-Montrachet Red Burgundy. Bader-Mimeur appears to be the producer. I think there's real potential here if stored decently (unknown).

1989 Dominus estate. Looks to be in very good condition, was good wine at the time, may still be.

Most interesting: 1976 Chateau Latour A Pomerol.

Where to begin tasting? Any of these stand out as particularly noteworthy?



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cecil77 said:

And that's what it's going to take, thousands of individual buying decisions, to bring some sanity to the market.

And I full well understand that each of our "that's insane!" levels are different... I know people that think thirty bucks for a bottle of wine is insane...



Heck, you don't even have to ask different people. 2016 me thinks 2021 me spends insane money on wine.
bularry
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very cool.

I'd bust that BV open now to see what it is like
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Well, I did. Not bad at all! Cork was barely hanging together and there had definitely been a little seepage but I was able to get it out. Well over the hill but not bad. Taste is very reminiscent of apple juice at this point, which is interesting.

I have zero experience with wines this old so kind of interesting
cecil77
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Assuming a good cork, I'd bet the Dominus is excellent.
HTownAg98
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The Burgundy may be vinegar, or it may be ethereal. Only one way to find out, and it won't get any better, so make some mushroom risotto and open it.

Have a backup, just in case.
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That Beaujolais looks suspect. Looks really light and color and like a lot of liquid is missing. Any idea how these were stored?

Either way, pretty cool. And I'd probably taste them all.
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I'm really unsure of storage. If I had to guess, they've been sitting in a cabinet off their dining room for 30 years or so - i.e. no refrigeration

I hold out no hope for the Beaujolais - it looks worse in person. I will be pumped if the Latour Pomerol is in decent shape, surprised if the Burgundy has gone south, optimistic re: the Dominus and Pepi.

The BV reminded me a lot of watered down Port or Sherry. Hadn't gone to vinegar by any stretch and didn't taste bad but didn't taste "right" either.

Going to crack the Dominus Thursday with some friends.
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For those of you interested in reading about the recent winter weather's effect on the Texas wine industry:

https://www.winebusiness.com/news/?go=getArticle&dataId=242290

This article goes in depth on each particular growing region in Texas and how the recent freezes might have effected them. Cecil77 may have more input on some of this as well.

One bit I found interesting, in regard to the Hill Country specifically:
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So far, growers have not seen damage on vines like what occurred in 2011. Why not? Kamas posted a temperature chart that showed the temperature slowly falling between February 9 and February 15. Temperatures were at 32 F by February 11 and stayed in the 20s until February 14. This, Kamas said, was an example of re-acclimation of vines, which helped them handle the very low temperatures in mid-February.
Also seems like the High Plains vineyards are at less risk than farther south and east vineyard sites. Makes sense, as they are/were already acclimated to longer colder winters and bud break does not happen as early.
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For West Texas and the High Plains where the grapes were fully dormant, it was a mid- to late-Winter freeze. Farther to the east and south, vines may have been closer to bud break and therefore had more potential for damage from really cold temperatures during the week of February 10 to 17.


cecil77
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Thanks for posting that.

We're not seeing signs of devastating damage in the HC yet, and Dan mentioned the acclimatization aspect at the very start. But ultimately, until the vines bud out, they haven't budded out.

West Texas is a bit more unsure. There are some varieties like Tempranillo that are very soft and IMO will likely show damage.

All in all hopefully a catastrophe dodged.
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I asked my grower friend about this and he said they'll just have to wait until April to see how it turns out.
bularry
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what about 2020 yields across Texas? I've heard they were down.
cecil77
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Yes WAAAYYYY (maybe need more As) down.

Oppressive heat in High Plains.
Hail in Hill Country.

But the wine is going to be incredible.
GBMont3
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The '89 Dominus was really good but not life changing. I don't have any experience with more recent Dominus vintages but if you'd told me this bottle was 6-7 years old vs 31 I'd have believed it. Storage was what I thought: indoors in a rarely opened cabinet. Surely 30+ years at ~72 degrees resulted in accelerated aging/maturation and this was past its optimal window. Still very enjoyable.

The '76 Pomerol is on deck next.
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I am trying to plan some meals around a few bottles right now, any suggestions or input? I love steak, but doing it up for the cabs and red blends all the time can get monotonous.

  • 2013 Cardinale - Thinking steak dinner for this one. Vintage for Napa this year seems pretty good overall so I bet this is really damn good. I have a vertical of some other cabs between 2010 and 2017, and will try them side by side with my wife to see if she prefers one with some age or not. If there is no preferential difference, then I would open this 2013 soonish I think, within the year.

  • Multiple bottles of Bordeaux style blend, Sonoma (Merlot forward, Cab forward, and a Cab Franc/Merlot forward, if that makes a difference in pairing)

bularry
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cecil77 said:

Yes WAAAYYYY (maybe need more As) down.

Oppressive heat in High Plains.
Hail in Hill Country.

But the wine is going to be incredible.
heard quality was good, too.

thanks for note
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You can do a whole roasted beef tenderloin (or prime rib) as a different variation than traditional steak.

For Bordeaux, I really like grilled lamb T-bones. Also a fan of duck, but have never cooked it. I like the roasted duck at Lucio's (BYOB).
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cecil77 said:

Yes WAAAYYYY (maybe need more As) down.

Oppressive heat in High Plains.
Hail in Hill Country.

But the wine is going to be incredible.
That's the word I got, too. 2019 was really good, 2020 will be awesome (probably the only part of that year that was any good at all).
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Chipotlemonger said:

I am trying to plan some meals around a few bottles right now, any suggestions or input? I love steak, but doing it up for the cabs and red blends all the time can get monotonous.

  • 2013 Cardinale - Thinking steak dinner for this one. Vintage for Napa this year seems pretty good overall so I bet this is really damn good. I have a vertical of some other cabs between 2010 and 2017, and will try them side by side with my wife to see if she prefers one with some age or not. If there is no preferential difference, then I would open this 2013 soonish I think, within the year.

  • Multiple bottles of Bordeaux style blend, Sonoma (Merlot forward, Cab forward, and a Cab Franc/Merlot forward, if that makes a difference in pairing)



Leg of lamb
Osso bucco
Veal chops
Prime rib
Chipotlemonger
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Thanks for the suggestions y'all. They all sound great!
big-ag
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Herman Story makes some big honking wines.
HTownAg98
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They certainly do. We will be there on Thursday.
HTownAg98
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A nice Pinot blanc to have with some Thai takeout from Basil Thai in Paso Robles. If you ever make it out here, the Albertson's grocery store in town has a pretty good selection of local wines.
bularry
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never heard of Kynsi before
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HTownAg98 said:

They certainly do. We will be there on Thursday.
I just grabbed a three pack of 2018 Nuts & Bolts syrah. Would love to hear your thoughts if you've tried it. I am excited to crack one open.
JCA1
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I didn't buy any Herman Story this year but have in years past. I probably would have bought some this year if they made buying easier. Good juice though. And the craziest tasting notes you'll ever read.
HTownAg98
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bularry said:

never heard of Kynsi before

Neither have I. Guessing it doesn't get distributed outside of California.
HTownAg98
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BigAg95 said:

HTownAg98 said:

They certainly do. We will be there on Thursday.
I just grabbed a three pack of 2018 Nuts & Bolts syrah. Would love to hear your thoughts if you've tried it. I am excited to crack one open.

Hold off on that excitement for a year if you can. If you can't, decant it for about half an hour before you open one and give it a try. That wasn't on the tasting menu on Thursday, but I like to let most of the new releases sit a year before I open them.
HTownAg98
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I thought I'd pose some about the places we've been so far in Paso Robles. We went to Herman Story on Thursday, and I don't think I need to post much about them that most here already don't know. If you like big and bold Rhone style wines, Herman Story is for you. They are reasonably priced and can mostly be drunk on release.
Friday started with Bodega de Edgar. They are located east of town in an industrial park, so if vista views of the rolling hills and oaks is your priority, do not come here. They do have a very nice courtyard to taste in, but you're going to also be listening to forklifts and other heavy equipment around you. The quality of the wines and hospitality more than made up for the location.
Edgar Torres has a very interesting past about how he became involved in wine. He started out as a waiter in high school, serving food and wine. His bosses realized that he really liked wine and had a good palate and encouraged him to get involved in the wine business. He told his parents he was dropping out of community college and going to become a cellar rat, and his parents were fully behind it. He stayed at it, working his way up and eventually had someone give him four barrels of wine to start making his own wine. He was doing all of this without having US citizen status, as he'd missed out on DACA and every other program available to him (primarily due to his age) besides the regular path to citizenship. However, he was undeterred, he applied for US citizenship and became a US citizen in 2019, the same year he purchased his second and newest production facility. He's never taken money from private investors and made all his money through his own hard work and banks that were willing to lend to him. His wines lean to a Spanish influence, as he uses a lot of tempranillo and Graciano in his blends and makes an Albarino as well. The wines are all excellent and will benefit from some time in bottle. They only make around 3,500 cases now and they don't distribute outside of Paso, so if you want something, you'll have to order it. All in all, and great place to visit if you want to try something outside of the typical GSM blends you see in Paso. He also has a second label called Straight Out of Paso that we are visiting today (Saturday).

Next up was Calcareous on Peachy Canyon Road. I don't have a lot to say about this place, since I would have liked to learn more, but it was very busy. Our server poured, said a few words, and left. The wines weren't anything exceptional, but they have excellent views and serve food that looked very good. If you happen to be nearby and want something to eat with a great view, it's worth dropping in.
Final winery visit of the day was Alta Colina. This is another small producer at 3,500 cases per year production-wise. Bob Tillman bought the property in 2003 and planted the first vines then, with the first harvest being in 2008. His daughter Maggie is now the winemaker, and all their wines come from the 30 acres on vines on-site. Their estate is planted mostly to Syrah, with Mourvedre, Grenache, Grenache Blanc, Viognier, Petit Sirah, Roussanne, and Marsanne. Everything we had here was excellent, with the Old 900 Syrah being my favorite. It's made in more of an Old World style, and some years they add a tiny amount of Viognier to make it in a Cote-Rotie style. Our host Erica was highly knowledgeable about all the wine and the vineyard, and made us feel like we were drinking wine on someone's back porch. This is a do not miss place.

Dinner Friday night was at Les Petite Canailles. It's your typical French Bistro fare but done really well with an extensive wine list (35 pages when it's printed, and a little cumbersome to navigate on your phone). They have a bunch of L'Aventure on the list, which would make since as the owner is Stefan's (the owner of L'Aventure) son. There was also a ton of Saxum on the list, and everything from Paso was very reasonably priced. We go a bottle of Alta Colina Old 900 Syrah 2013 for $75, which I thought was a steal (Alta Colina is selling their library releases at the winery for $65). It was drinking really well right now.

I'll save my overall thoughts on the visit for when we get back on Monday. Today is Linne Calodo, Kukkula, Straight Out of Paso, and dinner at Six Test Kitchen.
cecil77
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Many, many pages back someone posted a great web site from Canada that show stats, including g/L of sugar for many wines. Anyone have a clue where it is? thx

LOL, asked the same question last April and found it then. If only my browser had a way to save links, like a bookmark for a book or something...


https://www.lcbo.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/en/lcbo/caymus-cabernet-sauvignon-222877

FarmerJohn
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Great write up! Thanks for putting in the effort.
bularry
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found the rare $22 quality domestic pinot this week. 2017 Bold Wine Co from Monterey County.

I bought it at Vinology in Houston.
HTownAg98
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FarmerJohn said:

Great write up! Thanks for putting in the effort.

I still need to do Saturday and Sunday. Work has just gotten in the way.
HTownAg98
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Saturday in Paso Robles started at Linne Calodo. I've posted many of the bottles I've consumed from here, and the wines are still great. Matt Trevisan started making wine with Justin Smith, but they soon parted ways, primarily because the sum of the parts was greater than the whole. Justin left and started Saxum, and Matt kept Linne Calodo, and both make great wines. The wines we tasted here on Saturday were no exception. The Zinfandel based wines are great on release, the grenache benefits from a year or so in bottle, and the tempranillo and syrah based blends can age for quite a while. The only thing I didn't like at this tasting was it was outside without shade, and the wines were all poured in advance. So as it got warmer, the wines started warming up a bit, detracting from their taste. I'm not leaving the wine club over that. We also had to deal with a group of PIPs (previously important people) that were complaining that they couldn't taste inside. Everyone has been tasting outside since the wineries opened back up, and it's on every website or in their email when you book a tasting. Enjoy being outside and getting some Vitamin D.

Next stop was Kukkula, another new one for us. They are way out on Chimney Rock Road, so allow for some extra time getting there and getting to your next appointment. We did the reserve tasting with owner/winemaker/tractor driver/marketer/vine pruner Kevin Jussila. Kevin is a self-taught winemaker who started making wine in his basement, and then upgraded to his garage. In 2004 he purchased an old walnut orchard that had a small strip of cabernet planted on it, and now has 54 acres under vine. He's currently on a replant of his entire vineyard due to red blotch disease, so he said he'll have to buy some fruit over the next couple of years until the new vineyard is fully established. The vineyard is all dry farmed and head trained, though he will be installing some irrigation on the replant to get the vines going, and supplement watering in the winter (evidently you can irrigate before budbreak and still be considered dry farmed). His wines are very well balanced, unfined and unfiltered, fermented on native yeasts, with no more than 50% new French oak every year. His current releases are 2016 and 2017 vintages, while everyone else is releasing their 2018s. Some excellent age-worthy wines that won't bust your budget.

Our final stop was Edgar Torres' Straight Out of Paso tasting room a block from downtown Paso Robles. These wines are more of your typical fruit-forward Paso style, and it was nice to try a good white wine for a change. These wines aren't complicated and are meant to be easy drinking wines with some barbecue and good friends. They are all around $30, and are priced right for what they are. They have a large patio to taste at and relax after a long day of wine drinking.

Dinner Saturday night was at Six Test Kitchen in Tin City. It consists of an executive chef, sous chef, and sommelier in warehouse space that has been repurposed as an intimate dining experience with an open kitchen format limited to one seating of twelve diners per night (eight during covid). No dishwasher, no front or back of house staff. They will cook the food, serve the wine, and do the dishes. Dinner was 13 small bite courses paired with six wines, and it will set you back $225 per person, paid in advance, and that doesn't include tax or gratuity, so budget accordingly for it. Outside of some multi Michelin-star dinners I've had, this one was the best of the rest. Outside of one course having a little too much onion for my taste, everything was amazing. The menu progressed thoughtfully, and the wines were great matches across several courses. Reservations are released on the first of the month, and will be filled within a week, so if you want to go on a weekend, you might want to be up at midnight to make the reservation. It's expensive, but I felt like I got my money's worth out of this meal.







The nightcap on Saturday night was a 2012 Denner Ditch Digger we picked up at Taste in the Alley. They carry some great local wines, along with some stuff that has some age on it without paying library wine prices. This one was a steal at $70.
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