Not worried about Brash selling out...

Yeah I'll never fault someone for getting paid, but you can see what AB is doing and it sucks. If you can take care of multiple generations of your family, congrats.

Reading all the backlash on FB, this is what it reminds me of:

AgEng06 said:

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AggieOO said:

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62strat said:

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That's how it works right, the craft beer knurds won't buy AB owned beer?

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based on the reaction from the FB groups every time a brewery is bought, yes.

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Except for BCBS, of course.

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After waiting in line for an hour to buy an infected BCBCS, I'm ok with saying **** them too.

i love ABW

I think you're missing the point here, Strat. It's not all black and white. These guys championed themselves as craft brewers, marketed themselves as such, and then sold to the very people that lobby relentlessly to squash anything they, or countless other small brewers, work to achieve. Karbach owners certainly have a right to take the cash...hell, I know I would. But the other brewers and consumers out there have an equal right to be pissed.

Who's going to MSU this weekend? I forgot, and I'm too lazy to scroll back through the thread. I'm still not sure where we're setting up, but we'll be out there early Saturday morning, and then for a while after the game.

Leaving early tomorrow to drive to Starkville from Denton County.

BSD said:

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I think you're missing the point here, Strat. It's not all black and white. These guys championed themselves as craft brewers, marketed themselves as such, and then sold to the very people that lobby relentlessly to squash anything they, or countless other small brewers, work to achieve. Karbach owners certainly have a right to take the cash...hell, I know I would. But the other brewers and consumers out there have an equal right to be pissed.

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But.. they were craft brewers, were they not?

The craft brewer definition does not have a clause that states you will forever be a craft brewer and must deny a buyout from a non-craft brewer. So why is public pissed? Sure, they have every right to not buy the beer anymore, but in all honestly, they have no valid reason to be genuinely mad at Karbach, as they have done nothing that was dishonest.

If a story came out that budweiser was actually making the beer this entire time, and putting a karbach label on it and opening up a tasting room in Houston as a front and calling it craft, and it was all just a deceitful gimmick, then the public would have a reason to be 'pissed'.

Nothing even close to this has happened. So no, I don't think I'm missing the point at all. People are pissed because a small local brewery sold out and they want local local local, yet they probably 70% of the time bought that beer at Kroger or the like. (Maybe sometimes they bought it at specs, which I guess we can call local.)

*sigh*

You didn't address a key component of my post...the lobbying by big beer to keep the little guy out of the market. So yeah, you completely missed the point.

NColoradoAG said:

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IDGAF who you sell to. Ill buy your beer as long as its good. I hope everyone stays home for bourbon county this year.

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What's the consensus on how the pasteurization will affect the beer? Will it change the taste or simply just keep it from changing with age?

Hay merchant going scorched earth on all inventory

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*sigh*

You didn't address a key component of my post...the lobbying by big beer to keep the little guy out of the market. So yeah, you completely missed the point.

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Who says that big beer wants to keep little guy out of the market? In essence, they are buying little guys, and exploding them into the market.

If they really wanted them out of the market (so bud light can reign again), they would buy them up and throw them out.

There's no way these execs are stupid enough to believe they can remove all 3500 little guys from the market and only have their beer on tap. Surely they are smarter than this. All they want to do is continue the cash flow, and bud and bud light isn't doing it.

jetch17 said:

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Hay merchant going scorched earth on all inventory

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anybody wanna goandpickitupformebro on any of the FUN stuff, especially any residual vanilla BBH or roll in the hay which I haven't had yet

This predates the Karbach sale by a few months... These two guys totally cashed in.


http://www.denverpost.com/2016/09/19/left-hand-odd-13-craft-brew-distributor-c-r-goodman-sells-breakthru-beverage/

Looks like they've got legs of it all:

"The flash sale tap list:

- Available 3pm -
Weisse Versa
Hopadillo
RND Honey Jasmine Saison
5th Anniversary 22oz bottles (limited)
Rodeo Clown Cans

- Available 4pm -
2015 Bourbon Barrel Hellfighter w/Chocolate Cask
2015 Bourbon Barrel Hellfighter w/ Vanilla Cask

- Available 6pm (from the cellar) -
FUN Series 2012
5th Anniversary
Bourbon Barrel Hellfighter 2015
Bourbon Barrel Hellfighter with Vanilla
Bourbon Barrel Hellfighter 2014
FUN Series 2014
3 Legged Lab
Bourbon Barrel Hellfighter with Chocolate"

"All drafts are $1. All cans are $1.50, and all 22oz are $3. Feel free to take it home. 1/2 growlers are $3, and growlers are $6."

those cask BBH's look interesting.

jetch17 said:

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Hay merchant going scorched earth on all inventory

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good thing i didn't post about this already.

AggieOO said:

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jetch17 said:

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Hay merchant going scorched earth on all inventory

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good thing i didn't post about this already.

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Shut your hoorish mouth, I've just gotten unbusy

jetch17 said:

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Looks like they've got legs of it all:

"The flash sale tap list:

- Available 3pm -
Weisse Versa
Hopadillo
RND Honey Jasmine Saison
5th Anniversary 22oz bottles (limited)
Rodeo Clown Cans

- Available 4pm -
2015 Bourbon Barrel Hellfighter w/Chocolate Cask
2015 Bourbon Barrel Hellfighter w/ Vanilla Cask

- Available 6pm (from the cellar) -
FUN Series 2012
5th Anniversary
Bourbon Barrel Hellfighter 2015
Bourbon Barrel Hellfighter with Vanilla
Bourbon Barrel Hellfighter 2014
FUN Series 2014
3 Legged Lab
Bourbon Barrel Hellfighter with Chocolate"

"All drafts are $1. All cans are $1.50, and all 22oz are $3. Feel free to take it home. 1/2 growlers are $3, and growlers are $6."

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someone gopickitupformebro!

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This predates the Karbach sale by a few months... These two guys totally cashed in.


http://www.denverpost.com/2016/09/19/left-hand-odd-13-craft-brew-distributor-c-r-goodman-sells-breakthru-beverage/

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Technically that's just a distributor selling their distribution package to another distributor. It wasn't any brewery ownership changing hands.

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Who says that big beer wants to keep little guy out of the market?

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Umm, the multitude of lobbyists they hire to keep small brewers from not being profitable are a good source of who says those things...

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And how many small breweries have they successfully kept from being profitable?

Hence my belief that this is a fallacy

NColoradoAG said:

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62strat said:

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This predates the Karbach sale by a few months... These two guys totally cashed in.


http://www.denverpost.com/2016/09/19/left-hand-odd-13-craft-brew-distributor-c-r-goodman-sells-breakthru-beverage/

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Technically that's just a distributor selling their distribution package to another distributor. It wasn't any brewery ownership changing hands.

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It's the same two guys is what I meant.

They sold their distribution company, then they sold their brewery. Double pay day.

So what you're saying big beer does nothing to keep the craft brewer down? ok, gotcha.

62strat said:

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NColoradoAG said:

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62strat said:

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This predates the Karbach sale by a few months... These two guys totally cashed in.


http://www.denverpost.com/2016/09/19/left-hand-odd-13-craft-brew-distributor-c-r-goodman-sells-breakthru-beverage/

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Technically that's just a distributor selling their distribution package to another distributor. It wasn't any brewery ownership changing hands.

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It's the same two guys is what I meant.

They sold their distribution company, then they sold their brewery. Double pay day.

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What brewery did CR Goodman own and operate?

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So what you're saying big beer does nothing to keep the craft brewer down? ok, gotcha.

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Have you not seen the growth of craft beer in the last 10 years? Let alone the last 2-3 years.

So yes I'm saying big beer has done a whole of nothing to keep it down. Their previous efforts have been quite fruitless, and I believe they have changed their strategies and focus altogether in the last few years.

NColoradoAG said:

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62strat said:

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NColoradoAG said:

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62strat said:

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This predates the Karbach sale by a few months... These two guys totally cashed in.


http://www.denverpost.com/2016/09/19/left-hand-odd-13-craft-brew-distributor-c-r-goodman-sells-breakthru-beverage/

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Technically that's just a distributor selling their distribution package to another distributor. It wasn't any brewery ownership changing hands.

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It's the same two guys is what I meant.

They sold their distribution company, then they sold their brewery. Double pay day.

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What brewery did CR Goodman own and operate?

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Ken goodman and chuck roberston own cr goodman, they also own karbach.

Well, not anymore.

62strat said:

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Have you not seen the growth of craft beer in the last 10 years? Let alone the last 2-3 years.

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No, I guess I must have missed all that. I guess I've been away from this thread that whole time. And I must have missed me being involved in donating a ton of money and time to have beer laws changed in Texas because some force, who apparently wasn't big beer or their distributors, wanted to keep the competition out. Yep, I missed all that so I'm done here.