Renaming Fort Hood

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MarathonAg12
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8:15a, 6/17/21
Leadership is meeting over the next several months to discuss the new name.

Google it if you want the link and sources.

Audie Murphy (Texas Hero)

Or MSG Roy Benavidez (Texas Hero)

Hmmmmm.
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8:51a, 6/17/21
Ft Hood has more pressing things to worry about than a name change.

BUT, if it must happen, my vote is MSG Roy Benavidez.
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10:25a, 6/17/21
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Stop rape and murder? Nah fam, name change time.
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11:29a, 6/17/21
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Fort Hellcat...

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12:36p, 6/17/21
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Name it: Fort Hood, change the logo to a giant middle finger
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In reply to clarythedrill • 12:39p, 6/17/21
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clarythedrill said:
Ft Hood has more pressing things to worry about than a name change.

BUT, if it must happen, my vote is MSG Roy Benavidez.

Hell of a man, worthy of honoring.

In 50 years, he will be cancelled for fighting a white man's war in a white army that killed Asians, and it will be renamed Purple Unicorn Peace Park.
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1:38p, 6/17/21
If you consider other posts that are up for renaming, and which ones aren't, I'd vote for Benevidez.

Audie Murphy would rank higher on my list of people to name a post after. Murphy was in the 3rd ID. Fort Stewart, home of 3ID (most of it, anyway) is named after a Revolutionary War general, so I don't think that one is up for changing (right now). Fort Benning, home of the Maneuver school (the combination of the Infantry and Armor schools) and 3rd Bde, 3ID, is named after a CSA general. Given the presence of the school house, and part of the 3ID, I think Murphy's name would be a better fit there.

Thus making Benevidez probably the top candidate.

This being TexAgs, I should name some other potential candidates:
Sergeant George D. Keathley '37
Lieutenant Eli L. Whiteley '41
Lieutenant Turney W. Leonard '42
Sergeant William G. Harrell '43
Lieutenant Thomas W. Fowler '43
Specialist-5 Clarence Sasser, '73

Leonard led a tank destroyer unit, and so might be the top of that list.

I left Carswell and Hughes off the list because they're Air Corps/Air Force, and thus their names belong on Air Force bases (Carswell's already is.)
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1:52p, 6/17/21
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Fort Santa Anna to be more woke
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In reply to clarythedrill • 2:19p, 6/17/21
clarythedrill said:
Ft Hood has more pressing things to worry about than a name change.

BUT, if it must happen, my vote is MSG Roy Benavidez.


I'm here at Hood now. Interesting times.
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2:28p, 6/17/21
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It's all backwards, this renaming.

Start with the United Staes of America. America - named for a slave trader and slave owner.

The directives come from offices in Washington (slave owner) D.C. (maybe the worst is Columbus - slave trader, owner, and destructor of civilizations).

Where does the renaming end?

Maybe just keep the names of Army installations that were named for bad ass warriors.
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2:47p, 6/17/21
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What about Fort Rudder?
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In reply to Smeghead4761 • 3:28p, 6/17/21
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Quote:
(Carswell's already is.)
Was.
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Smeghead4761
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In reply to Hey Nav • 6:08p, 6/17/21
Hey Nav said:
Maybe just keep the names of Army installations that were named for bad ass warriors.

Except most of them weren't all that good. Bragg was a horrible general. Pickett and A.P. Hill were nothing special. Hood was a good divisional commander who was promoted beyond his level of effectiveness.

Actually, the three best Confederate generals after Lee - Forrest, Jackson, Stuart, and Longstreet - don't have posts named after them. Forrest I assume because of his association with the KKK (or maybe because the Army didn't build a major post in Tennessee during WWI), Jackson and Stuart because there were other posts with the same names (Fort Jackson is named after Andrew Jackson; Stewart is the same phonetically). Longstreet committed in unforgivable sin of joining the Republican party after the war.

I do find it interesting that Fort McClellan was named after the Union general. Although he did help the CSA a good bit whilst in command.
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In reply to MarathonAg12 • 6:38p, 6/17/21
MarathonAg12 said:
clarythedrill said:
Ft Hood has more pressing things to worry about than a name change.

BUT, if it must happen, my vote is MSG Roy Benavidez.


I'm here at Hood now. Interesting times.
I was stationed there three times, totaling 14 or so years, during my career. I always went back since I am Texan, but that place needs a huge reduction in forces. It is too big for its own good. My best time there was my first, from '97-'99. Open post, little to no crime and there was actual discipline there then. I remember courtesy patrols in housing and positioning senior NCOs at various places on post to keep the BS to a minimum. For some reason we do not do that anymore, and that is unfortunate.

Anybody old enough to remember the School of the Soldier?
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11:45p, 6/18/21
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I'm at Fort Polk, and it should probably be renamed. Problem is I don't know who the new namesake should be.
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8:52a, 6/19/21
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While I recognize MSG Roy Benavidez is a total bad ass and Texas native, I am not sure about naming our primary heavy armored post after a light infantry/special forces guy. If anything Bragg should become Fort Benavidez.

Is Patton still persona no grata? Maybe the real life "War Daddy" who inspired the movie Fury. Lafayette G. Pool. Pool killed over 1000 German soldiers and took 250 as war prisoners. Furthermore, he destroyed 12 tanks, 258 armored vehicles, and self-propelled guns. He achieved all these within a period of 81 days, using three different Sherman Tanks from 27th June to 15th September, 1944.
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12:36p, 6/19/21
I served in the 2AD "Hell on Wheels" at Fort Hood. I see no reason to change. If changed and named for a person, Fort Murphy has a nice easy ring to it. What would the pols find about Audie Murphy that would "offend" someone? My guess is that they would come up with something!
Please exclude from consideration names of politicians; and keep politics out of it!!!
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3:02p, 6/19/21
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My old brigade cdr was COL Efflandt, the guy who got relived after everything went down on post. I'm against the name change mainly because there's so much other crap that needs to be fixed first. I'm also against renaming it after Audie Murphy or Roy Benavidez. While they are great Texans, neither were armor. I think it should remain named after an armor/cavalryman.
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In reply to Postal • 6:08p, 6/19/21
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Postal said:
I'm at Fort Polk, and it should probably be renamed. Problem is I don't know who the new namesake should be.


Forty McFort face.

I have no idea if all the confederate generals they chose Leonidas Polk
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In reply to musicman55 • 9:18p, 6/20/21
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This would be awesome but they already have Camp Rudder in Florida, so he probably wont get a second spot.
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9:46p, 6/20/21
Pershing was a cavalryman, and commanded in Texas, if briefly. Born in Missouri, whose only major Army installation, Fort Leonard Wood, doesn't have a troublesome name. (Yet)

If you want a cavalryman who was influential in Texas (not born here though), how about Ranald MacKenzie? Best known for playing a critical role in defeating the Comanches...nevermind.
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12:03a, 6/21/21
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You heard it here first. They will use both names and call it Fort Murphy-Benavidez.


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In reply to Smeghead4761 • 12:10a, 6/21/21
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Langenator said:
If you consider other posts that are up for renaming, and which ones aren't, I'd vote for Benevidez.

Audie Murphy would rank higher on my list of people to name a post after. Murphy was in the 3rd ID. Fort Stewart, home of 3ID (most of it, anyway) is named after a Revolutionary War general, so I don't think that one is up for changing (right now). Fort Benning, home of the Maneuver school (the combination of the Infantry and Armor schools) and 3rd Bde, 3ID, is named after a CSA general. Given the presence of the school house, and part of the 3ID, I think Murphy's name would be a better fit there.

Thus making Benevidez probably the top candidate.

This being TexAgs, I should name some other potential candidates:
Sergeant George D. Keathley '37
Lieutenant Eli L. Whiteley '41
Lieutenant Turney W. Leonard '42
Sergeant William G. Harrell '43
Lieutenant Thomas W. Fowler '43
Specialist-5 Clarence Sasser, '73

Leonard led a tank destroyer unit, and so might be the top of that list.

I left Carswell and Hughes off the list because they're Air Corps/Air Force, and thus their names belong on Air Force bases (Carswell's already is.)


We can cross Harrell off the list as he apparently ended his life with a double-murder and suicide.
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In reply to Smeghead4761 • 6:06a, 6/21/21
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Langenator said:
Pershing was a cavalryman, and commanded in Texas, if briefly. Born in Missouri, whose only major Army installation, Fort Leonard Wood, doesn't have a troublesome name. (Yet)

If you want a cavalryman who was influential in Texas (not born here though), how about Ranald MacKenzie? Best known for playing a critical role in defeating the Comanches...nevermind.

McKenzie killed 3000 horses at once, defeated the Comanches often, and was a huge factor in forcing them into the reservation.

Cancel culture would never allow him to be honored.

He does have a trail, a city prk in Lubbock, and a lake near Silverton, Texas
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6:24a, 6/21/21
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Fort Patton since he fought against pancho villa in south Texas. On second thought, is villa considered a hero now?

The renaming of Bragg bothers me, spent enough time there that the thought of it being renamed is nauseating.
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In reply to 45-70Ag • 9:36a, 6/21/21
As I noted above, the irony is that Bragg was a lousy general - he was the losing commander at Perryville, Mufreesboro, and Chattanooga. Of the prominent CSA generals who were from NC, Longstreet was by far the better general - and was largely responsible for the Confederate success at Chickamauga, Bragg's only significant victory as a commander.

But Longstreet joined the Republican party during Reconstruction, which put him beyond the pale to most post bellum Southerners, for whom the 'black' Republicans were the party that meant to put former slaves in power over whites.

So, since naming the posts after ex-CSA generals was mainly a move to help motivate support for WWI in the South, they weren't going to name the post after Longstreet.

Anyway, I think Fort Ridgeway has a nice ring to it. And the old saying "There's a right way, and wrong way, and the Ridgeway!" seems quite appropriate to the 82nd's attitude about a lot of things.

And you can appreciate the irony that the town of Fort Bragg, CA will continue to exist. (Lovely little fishing and logging town in Mendocino county on the north coast.)
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10:36a, 6/21/21
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General Daniel Stewart. Yes a Rev War general but was landed gentry in Georgia.

Line on being a slave owner????
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8:48p, 6/25/21
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Call Hood "Ft. McHerpes", call Polk "Ft. Please No", call Bragg "Ft. Ridgeway", and call Campbell "Ft. NotActuallyAirborne"

And to think I don't even need an OER bullet for this brilliance
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In reply to clarythedrill • 11:57p, 6/25/21
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clarythedrill said:
Ft Hood has more pressing things to worry about than a name change.


Yeah, like getting rid of the people who are illegally occupying the white house and arresting the traitors who formed a coup against a sitting President.
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In reply to Smeghead4761 • 11:34a, 6/26/21
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I think many of the southern US Army posts were named for Confederate questionable/bad performer generals on purpose. As a veiled post-war "left-handed compliment".

Example: John Bell Hood - Horrible general. Commanded during the greatest loss of life in the shortest period of time of any battle of the Civil War at the Battle of Franklin. He lost 14 General Officers and 55 Regimental Commanders as casualties. His Army of the Tennessee was ultimately repulsed at Nashville after losing half it's strength. Followed by a retreat to Mississippi--his Army was combat ineffective for the rest of the war.

Leonidas Polk, Braxton Bragg, Benning, perhaps others--all had questionable military careers. Especially at higher levels of command.
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In reply to DogCo84 • 1:30p, 6/26/21
That may well be. I know I'd probably rank Jubal Early as the third or fourth most effective of the Virginia-born CSA generals (after Lee, Jackson, and possibly Stuart). For sure better than Pickett and A.P. Hill, who do have posts named after them.

Hood, I think, was a classic case of someone promoted (way) beyond his level of competence. He was excellent as a division commander. As you noted, an utter disaster commanding an independent army.

I don't recall much about Benning, although I think he led successful attacks at the Wilderness. And I know nothing about Rucker beyond that he was Confederate.

Oh, almost forgot Joe Johnston. Also from Virginia. Did the CSA have any really good generals, besides Forrest, from any other state?
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In reply to DogCo84 • 4:38p, 6/26/21
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DogCo84 said:
I think many of the southern US Army posts were named for Confederate questionable/bad performer generals on purpose. As a veiled post-war "left-handed compliment".

Example: John Bell Hood - Horrible general. Commanded during the greatest loss of life in the shortest period of time of any battle of the Civil War at the Battle of Franklin. He lost 14 General Officers and 55 Regimental Commanders at casualties. His Army of the Tennessee was ultimately repulsed at Nashville after losing half it's strength. Followed by a retreat to Mississippi--his Army was combat ineffective for the rest of the war.

Leonidas Polk, Braxton Bragg, Benning, perhaps others--all had questionable military careers. Especially at higher levels of command.
The problem with that theory is that the bases were named by the states Senators and Governors who put forth names. As was mentioned about Longstreet a lot of post war politics were at play in the decisions of who got their names on what bases.
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In reply to FILO505 • 5:55p, 6/26/21
FILO505 said:
Call Hood "Ft. McHerpes", call Polk "Ft. Please No", call Bragg "Ft. Ridgeway", and call Campbell "Ft. NotActuallyAirborne"

And to think I don't even need an OER bullet for this brilliance
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In reply to Smeghead4761 • 11:28a, 6/27/21
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Langenator said:
And I know nothing about Rucker beyond that he was Confederate.
Do like they do with school renamings. Change it to Fort Darius Rucker and save $$$ on signage and stationery.
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