Capt Brett Crozier

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Capt. Brett Crozier, then-commanding officer of the aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt addresses the crew during an all-hands call in the ship's hangar bay March 3, 2020. Crozier was relieved of command after his letter that warned sailors could die from the coronavirus outbreak aboard the carrier was leaked to the media.




True patriotism or a dereliction of duty?
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From the Navy's official response, found in the last update to the article in this link:

"When the Commanding Officer of the USS THEODORE ROOSEVELT decided to write his letter of 30 March 2020 that outlined his concerns for his crew in the midst of a COVID-19 outbreak, the Department of the Navy had already mobilized significant resources for days in response to his previous requests. On the same date marked on his letter, my Chief of Staff had called the CO directly, at my request, to ensure he had all the resources necessary for the health and safety of his crew."

"The CO told my Chief of Staff that he was receiving those resources, and was fully aware of the Navy's response, only asking that the he wished the crew could be evacuated faster. My Chief of Staff ensured that the CO knew that he had an open line to me to use at any time. He even called the CO again a day later to follow up. At no time did the CO relay the various levels of alarm that I, along with the rest of the world, learned from his letter when it was published two days later."

"Once I read the letter, I immediately called the Chief of Naval Operations, ADM Gilday, and the Commander, U.S. Pacific Fleet, ADM Aquilino. ADM Gilday had just read the letter that morning as well, and ADM Aquilino had it the day before. We had a teleconference within minutes of my reading of that article, including the Commander, SEVENTH Fleet, VADM William Merz, ADM Aquilino, ADM Gilday, the Department of the Navy's Surgeon General, RADM Bruce Gillingham, and others. That evening, we held another teleconference with the entire chain of command."

"The next day, I spoke with the CO of the THEODORE ROOSEVELT myself, and this morning, I have spoken to the TR's Carrier Strike Group Commander, RDML Stuart Baker. RDML Baker did not know about the letter before it was sent to him via email by the CO. It is important to understand that the Strike Group Commander, the CO's immediate boss, is embarked on the Theodore Roosevelt, right down the passageway from him. The letter was sent over non- secure, unclassified email even though that ship possesses some of the most sophisticated communications and encryption equipment in the Fleet."

"it was sent outside the chain of command, at the same time the rest of the Navy was fully responding. Worse, the Captain's actions made his Sailors, their families, and many in the public believe that his letter was the only reason help from our larger Navy family was forthcoming, which was hardly the case."

"Command is a sacred trust that must be continually earned, both from the Sailors and Marines one leads, and from the institution which grants that special, honored privilege."

"As I learned more about the events of the past week on board USS THEODORE ROOSEVELT (CVN-71), including my personal conversations with the Strike Group Commander, Commander, SEVENTH Fleet, Commander, U.S. Pacific Fleet, the Chief of Naval Operations, and CAPT Crozier himself, I could reach no other conclusion than that Captain Crozier had allowed the complexity of his challenge with COVID breakout on the ship to overwhelm his ability to act professionally, when acting professionally was what was needed most. We do, and we should, expect more from the Commanding Officers of our aircraft carriers."

"I did not come to this decision lightly. I have no doubt in my mind that Captain Crozier did what he thought was in the best interests of the safety and well-being of his crew. Unfortunately, it did the opposite. It unnecessarily raised alarms with the families of our Sailors and Marines with no plan to address those concerns. It raised concerns about the operational capabilities and operational security of the ship that could have emboldened our adversaries to seek advantage, and it undermined the chain of command who had been moving and adjusting as rapidly as possible to get him the help he needed."

"For these reasons, I lost confidence in his ability to lead that warship as it continues to fight through this virus, get the crew healthy, so that it can continue to meet its national security requirements. In my judgement relieving him of command was in the best interests of the United States Navy and the nation in this time when the nation needs the Navy to be strong and confident in the face of adversity. The responsibility for this decision rests with me. I expect no congratulations for it, and it gives me no pleasure in making it. CAPT Crozier is an honorable man, who despite this uncharacteristic lapse of judgment, has dedicated himself throughout a lifetime of incredible service to our nation."
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The Navy has had a rough few years between this, the USS Fitzgerald, and the USS McCain
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I did not come to this decision lightly. I have no doubt in my mind that Captain Crozier did what he thought was in the best interests of the safety and well-being of his crew. Unfortunately, it did the opposite. It unnecessarily raised alarms with the families of our Sailors and Marines with no plan to address those concerns. It raised concerns about the operational capabilities and operational security of the ship that could have emboldened our adversaries to seek advantage, and it undermined the chain of command who had been moving and adjusting as rapidly as possible to get him the help he needed.
Did the Capt leak the memo or inteded it to be leaked by proxy? This reasoning assumes one of those possibilities.
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Carolin_Gallego said:

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I did not come to this decision lightly. I have no doubt in my mind that Captain Crozier did what he thought was in the best interests of the safety and well-being of his crew. Unfortunately, it did the opposite. It unnecessarily raised alarms with the families of our Sailors and Marines with no plan to address those concerns. It raised concerns about the operational capabilities and operational security of the ship that could have emboldened our adversaries to seek advantage, and it undermined the chain of command who had been moving and adjusting as rapidly as possible to get him the help he needed.
Did the Capt leak the memo or inteded it to be leaked by proxy? This reasoning assumes one of those possibilities.

I don't know, but it would seem so. He sent it to 20 addressees using an unsecured network.
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74OA said:

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I did not come to this decision lightly. I have no doubt in my mind that Captain Crozier did what he thought was in the best interests of the safety and well-being of his crew. Unfortunately, it did the opposite. It unnecessarily raised alarms with the families of our Sailors and Marines with no plan to address those concerns. It raised concerns about the operational capabilities and operational security of the ship that could have emboldened our adversaries to seek advantage, and it undermined the chain of command who had been moving and adjusting as rapidly as possible to get him the help he needed.
Did the Capt leak the memo or inteded it to be leaked by proxy? This reasoning assumes one of those possibilities.

It would seem so. He sent it to 20 addressees using an unsecured network.
He comitted a major felony offense because he thought the lives of his men were at stake? I'd have no doubt in my mind that Captain Crozier did what he thought was in the best interests of the safety and well-being of his crew too.

What unsecured network did he use?
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Carolin_Gallego said:

74OA said:

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I did not come to this decision lightly. I have no doubt in my mind that Captain Crozier did what he thought was in the best interests of the safety and well-being of his crew. Unfortunately, it did the opposite. It unnecessarily raised alarms with the families of our Sailors and Marines with no plan to address those concerns. It raised concerns about the operational capabilities and operational security of the ship that could have emboldened our adversaries to seek advantage, and it undermined the chain of command who had been moving and adjusting as rapidly as possible to get him the help he needed.
Did the Capt leak the memo or inteded it to be leaked by proxy? This reasoning assumes one of those possibilities.

I don't know, but it would seem so. He sent it to 20 addressees using an unsecured network.
He comitted a major felony offense because he thought the lives of his men were at stake? I'd have no doubt in my mind that Captain Crozier did what he thought was in the best interests of the safety and well-being of his crew too.

What unsecured network did he use?
My understanding is that he used regular email, rather than one of the ship's secured networks.
Carolin_Gallego
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Link?
74OA
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Carolin_Gallego said:

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Just something I read today, but don't feel like searching for it. This is like the fourth post on this on Texags alone. Do some internet digging if you have questions.
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Found it. He used his navy.mil email account.
Carolin_Gallego
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If you read the memo, it doesn't seem as if the Capt had any intent for it to be leaked.
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The fact the the group commander, the Captains boss, who lives a few yards down the passage way from the Captain didn't know about the letter or several of the issues raised in it till after it was sent out, screams issues with command climate. He wasn't talking to his own boss who lives right next door. That has to raise huge questions for both men in my mind.
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Acting Secretary of the Navy Thomas Modly takes a trip to the Theordore Rosevelt to critizize Capt. Crozier and it didn't go over so well with the crew.
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Well this has evolved into a huge **** show
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This is going to be a fun few weeks for the Navy now
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Acting Secretary of the Navy Thomas Modly takes a trip to the Theordore Rosevelt to critizize Capt. Crozier and it didn't go over so well with the crew.
I don't understand why the Secretary is the one going public.

How about Capt Crozier's boss? Or the next commander up the chain? Or the CNO?
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Hey Nav said:

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Acting Secretary of the Navy Thomas Modly takes a trip to the Theordore Rosevelt to critizize Capt. Crozier and it didn't go over so well with the crew.
I don't understand why the Secretary is the one going public.

How about Capt Crozier's boss? Or the next commander up the chain? Or the CNO?
Maybe Crozier did crack under pressure of have an agenda - and he did violate COC protocol, but Modly definely cracked under pressure big time by doing this and really **** the bed. Watch a petulant childish thing to do by going there and giving that speech to the crew.
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And in the latest installment of this debacle the SecNav has offered his resignation.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/acting-navy-secretary-resigns-in-wake-of-uss-roosevelt-11586287262?mod=hp_lead_pos4

Carolin_Gallego
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That's twice now. Welcome to the new normal.
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And in the latest installment of this debacle the SecNav has offered his resignation.

I'd bet SecNav was told by someone higher up the food chain he was going to offer his resignation.
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JABQ04 said:

And in the latest installment of this debacle the SecNav has offered his resignation.
In his feverish cracking under to pressure not to embarrass the President, he embarrassed the President. The old say here is so true "if you are so worried about keeping your job, you won't be able to do your job"
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It's a tough job to learn in 4 months.
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Carolin_Gallego said:

It's a tough job to learn in 4 months.

You've got a ten day old account and some pretty strong posts on specific hot topics - who are you and what's your agenda?
Carolin_Gallego
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I imagine it is simialar to your situtation - sheltering in place and shooting the ****e.
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Old RV Ag said:

Carolin_Gallego said:

It's a tough job to learn in 4 months.

You've got a ten day old account and some pretty strong posts on specific hot topics - who are you and what's your agenda?
People have opinions that just may differ from yours. Settle down.
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As of Wednesday, 97% of the Theodore Roosevelt's crew have been tested for the virus and 416 sailors have tested positive, according to the Navy, representing more than 20% of all coronavirus cases within the entire US military.
"We've tested almost the whole crew now. We still have about 1,000 tests to report out. But 3,170 tested negative, 416 tested positive, 187 of those were symptomatic, 229 were asymptomatic. We still have 1,164 pending results," the Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. John Hyten told reporters at the Pentagon on Thursday.
"Sadly this morning we had our first hospitalization of the one sailor,"
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/09/politics/sailor-teddy-roosevelt-unconcious-covid-modly/index.html

That is around 10% of the crew that tested positive. What would the percentage be if extraordinary measures were not taken?
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Crozier was my old XO. Good man for sure. Im very much indifferent with this entire fiasco.
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First USS Theodore Roosevelt sailor dies from coronavirus.
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We believe progress is made through MORE discussion, not LESS, and we believe that to be true even if the topics are uncomfortable and we occasionally disagree with one another. - TexAgs
The name-calling technique making false associations is a child's game. The propagandist who uses this technique hopes that the audience will reject a person and their argument on this false basis.
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We believe progress is made through MORE discussion, not LESS, and we believe that to be true even if the topics are uncomfortable and we occasionally disagree with one another. - TexAgs
The name-calling technique making false associations is a child's game. The propagandist who uses this technique hopes that the audience will reject a person and their argument on this false basis.
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Final decision: DONE
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