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Saltwater or chlorine pool?

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BillyPilgrim
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I know this topic has probably been addressed already, but a quick search didn't use any good results.


We're in the middle of a new home build in Dallas, and are about to start pool construction. For those of you who have had both, which do you prefer: saltwater or chlorine? I have gone back-and-forth between the two and need to make a decision.

Thanks!
TexDill15
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Do you have any little kids? My mom bought a saltwater one for her grandsons and they drink the saltwater which then leads to diarrhea.

That's the only draw back I've seen with her saltwater pool.
BillyPilgrim
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I do have a 4 year old, but she regularly eats dirt and sunscreen, so she has a pretty good digestive system!
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I'm a huge fan of liquid chlorine. Our builder said he won't even install salt systems anymore because people were disappointed with the damage salt was doing to their coping and tile.

I put in a Stenner pump with a 15 gallon reservoir for liquid chlorine. It auto dispenses via a simple digital timer, so maintaining levels is mindless other than slight adjustments to the timer as the seasons change. In heaviest use (Summer), that tank lasts me a full month.
BillyPilgrim
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Thanks. 555. My pool guy says the same thing about the corrosion.

I'll talk with him about the liquid chlorineI know nothing about it.
Quad Dog
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My brother in law stopped doing salt pools too.
555-PINF
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BillyPilgrim said:

Thanks. 555. My pool guy says the same thing about the corrosion.

I'll talk with him about the liquid chlorineI know nothing about it.

This is a long excerpt from an even longer email I sent to a buddy regarding liquid chlorine for his new pool. Go to www.troublefreepool.com and read through all of their Pool School, even if it doesn't make total sense, now. At least you'll familiarize yourself enough to understand some of the basics.


Biggest thing that has helped me is using liquid chlorine instead of pucks. Pucks are like 6% cyanuric acid (aka CYA), which acts as a buffer against chlorine breakdown. The more CYA in your pool, the more chlorine it requires to maintain cleanliness and it'll eventually get to a point that you can't add enough chlorine to overcome the large amounts of CYA in the water, resulting in algae bloom. The only way to get CYA out of your pool is to do a drain and refill. Going with a quality liquid chlorine ensures that you aren't adding anything that will build up and harm your pool or equipment. Also, don't use Clorox or any other typical household bleach they all contain other chemicals or scents that aren't good for your water and/or don't play well with the other chemicals you'll need to keep your pool balanced. Our pool uses about half a gallon of 10% liquid chlorine a day in the Summer, less in the winter. You'll figure yours out once you start testing regularly. The Wal-Mart brand is 10% and is like $5 a gallon (was $4 at the beginning of the Summer thanks, Biden). Fairly inexpensive. Leslie's has 12.5% liquid chlorine for like $6+ per gallon. I'll use Wal-Mart's brand until they stop selling it (seasonal item), then will switch back to Leslie's. You can also get it cheaper from a Pinch-A-Penny store, but the closest one is in Magnolia and we just don't head that way very often.

I'll admit that it was a pain having to go out and measure/pour in liquid chlorine every day, so I researched an easier method. The consensus was using a Stenner pump with a holding tank. I chose the Stenner Econ T model #E20T4G because it has a flow rate of .51 gallons per hour, so the math is easy in terms of how long it needs to run every day. I purchased mine from ChemWorld, which is the site that is linked. I mounted the pump to a Stenner 15 gallon gray poly tank with a required mounting bracket. I believe that most of your equipment is outside without an interior location to keep the pump out of the elements, so you'll need a rain roof and cover to keep the pump protected. Also, the gray color of the poly tank protects the chlorine inside from UV breakdown the white tanks will not do that. The pump just plugs into a regular household outlet, but it does have one of the large black inverter boxes as a part of the plug, so account for that when you're deciding where and how to plug it in. The Stenner pumps chlorine through a tube into an included duckbill valve that is set up with 1/4" and 1/2" NPT threads. I just took the chlorine puck feeder off of my pool equipment, bought a replacement 1.5" PVC cap, and drilled and tapped it to accept the 1/4" threads on the duckbill valve. You can see it in the picture below. The only reason I went with 1/4" instead of 1/2" is because that's the biggest NPT tap Turner's had when I was setting this up. I think the 1/2" would make the mounting point a little more sturdy as it recesses the duckbill valve into the plumbing a little more.
fire09
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If you are doing your own maintenance, a combination of liquid chlorine and 'pucks' are the most cost efficient. Key is to know when to switch over to keep CYA in check and avoid costly drain/refills. Liquid chlorine is more expensive than the pucks.
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fire09 said:

If you are doing your own maintenance, a combination of liquid chlorine and 'pucks' are the most cost efficient. Key is to know when to switch over to keep CYA in check and avoid costly drain/refills. Liquid chlorine is more expensive than the pucks.

I am a pool builder and I only do salt if the customer is hard lined on having a saltwater pool. Otherwise I try to steer them away.

The problem is a lot of homeowners don't want to take care of their pools and hire someone who doesn't know a damn thing about taking care of a pool except for how to test the chlorine & the pH. Then they wonder why their pool is green in the summer.

As stated previously, a combination of liquid chlorine, Cal Hypo, and pucks will keep you where you need to be. In addition, you'll want to follow the LSI method to keep the water balanced. It's more than just chlorine & pH, taking into account temperature, alkalinity, calcium, and total dissolved solids as well. Just like we learned is important in chemistry class.

https://blog.orendatech.com/langelier-saturation-index

https://www.orendatech.com/pool-dosing-calculator

BillyPilgrim
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Thanks for the info everyone. It looks like I have some chemistry to learn!
Leeman
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I've had a salt water pool for over a decade. I do my own chemicals and have replaced the salt cell a couple of times. Cost wise, it may be an even wash roughly (new cell cost vs pucks or bleach), but in whole the salt water pool is much easier.

What chaps my hide is all the pool people who push di and tri-chlor pucks to everyone knowing what will happen.
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Leeman said:

I've had a salt water pool for over a decade. I do my own chemicals and have replaced the salt cell a couple of times. Cost wise, it may be an even wash roughly (new cell cost vs pucks or bleach), but in whole the salt water pool is much easier.

What chaps my hide is all the pool people who push di and tri-chlor pucks to everyone knowing what will happen.

Pucks have their place, but as mentioned before overuse causes high CYA levels which puts you in a chlorine lock. You don't need pucks at all of you're comfortable adding conditioner when the CYA levels get too low when you're using liquid chlorine or Cal Hypo.
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I've used chlorine pucks on past pools, but on my current pool, I made the switch to liquid chlorine about 4 years ago, and now only use pucks when I have to (i.e. vacation, need a CYA bump, etc.). With that said, I've researched salt pools for about the past 3 years, and I am currently getting quotes for saltwater chlorine generator systems. I'm fine with liquid chlorine, but the driver is primarily due to the rising costs of chlorine (liquid and pucks) as well as the occasional issues with sourcing good liquid chlorine.

As for the concerns with salinity levels, a saltwater pool is only roughly 1/10th the salinity of typical ocean water, so while there is still the added concern about damage to materials its not as bad as some people think. What some people also don't realize is that the natural breakdown of traditional chlorine is salt (pucks and more so liquid), so with time most pools do see a natural increase in salinity. I recently tested my salinity levels and from the past 4 years of liquid chlorine usage, my salinity was 3500ppm, which is about where you want it for a salt pool.

Salt pools are not a simple set it and forget it, you'll have to monitor you acidity a little more closely, but I'm pretty good about maintenance and tracking my water chemistry. Whichever route you choose, I'd highly recommend you check out the troublefreepool website. They have lots of info about pool chemistry and a pretty active forum for asking questions.
Flashdiaz
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I've had salt for almost a decade and do my own pool maintenance.
- i've replaced the salt cell once.
- original water heater going strong.
- biggest thing is adding muriatic acid as needed.
- some people make out the salt destructive properties as if it's lava. It's not. Have had the same furniture for too long. I want to replace it because it's outdated, not because salt rusted it through. Coping and tile line look good. The big thing here is if you know you're using salt, you should stay away from soft rocks such as flagstone. I went with Travertine and it's holding up well.

all in all, if I had to do it again I wouldn't hesitate on doing salt.
Comeby!
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Liquid Chlorine and TroubleFreePool user here.
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I use liquid chlorine with a rola-chem pump, 35 gallon blue jug. I buy 15 gallons at a time from pinch a penny which is 1.5 mile from my house. I use pucks when I need to raise my CYA to about 40. My CYA will drop over time when we get more rain, same with calcium.

I do my own chemicals. I put in acid usually 2 - 3 times per week, lately it has been less. I test every Sunday using a Taylor kit. I used to test more often, but once you learn the behavior of your pool, your good.

I think a saltwater pool would be easier as your not having to haul chlorine all over, and spill it on your clothes. Otherwise, avoid pucks, and decide between liquid and salt.
RoyVal
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Leeman said:

I've had a salt water pool for over a decade. I do my own chemicals and have replaced the salt cell a couple of times. Cost wise, it may be an even wash roughly (new cell cost vs pucks or bleach), but in whole the salt water pool is much easier.

What chaps my hide is all the pool people who push di and tri-chlor pucks to everyone knowing what will happen.
yep. I'm the exact same...zero problems with Salt and VERY easy to maintain. I've replaced the salt cell every 4ish years. The whole salt tears up the coping talk doesn't jive in my personal experience. Haven't had that problem.
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