There's a reason I don't keep up with any of my meaningless stats. I just want to hit the ball well.

I do have a goal of no three putts, but still haven't played a round without one

I used to think I was a bad putter when I was rolling 32-33 PPR, but I was hitting 12-14 GIR. My issue was my iron play was crappy always leaving me 30-50 footers.

Well....... Driver distance is a great data point as is scoring average...

Everything else beside those two and money leader list is meh..

CapCity12thMan said:

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I used to think I was a bad putter when I was rolling 32-33 PPR, but I was hitting 12-14 GIR. My issue was my iron play was crappy always leaving me 30-50 footers.

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12-14 GIR and I typically will shoot around Par.

For me that's good golf brah..

AggieDruggist89 said:

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Well....... Driver distance is a great data point as is scoring average...

Everything else beside those two and money leader list is meh..

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Driver Distance on the big stage doesn't mean squat because the PGA only measures 2 holes per Tournament.

Take a look at the Top 20 in Distance:

https://www.pgatour.com/stats/stat.101.html

So that leaves Scoring Average and Money List...which tells you nothing about someone's game.

Dude...

Serious?

Driver distance, scoring average, money list..

Bryson, Dustin, Justin... Kind of tells the state of their game in my opinion. Sure, Justin is down the list on driving distance.

But I'd say those three stats do tell compelling stories about their game. Of course Driver distance tells how far they drive. 2 holes are not, for me it's a cool Stat that means something not like PPR.

jj9000 said:

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So that leaves Scoring Average and Money List...which tells you nothing about someone's game.

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So Bryson and Justin are #1 #2... Vice versa in scoring average and money list... Tells you nothing about their game?

It tells me they're playing good golf. But that's just my perception.

If PPR is a good Stat, does OWGR use it in their ranking calculation? Yes or no.

What do they use to rank? I believe strength of the tournament and the placement in the field which is solely based on the score. Not any of those useless mind numbing stats like PPR.

Now driver distance... That's a cool Stat. And the money list.

Bjt OWGR consolidates all the tours in the world. Good ranking. Unlike PGA money list. Nonetheless, my point is that the money list and scoring average are good stats that mean something. PPR is not. Unless you're looking at the PPR when on GIR. Or look at pars saved when not on the GIR. Purely looking at PPR tells nothing and especially doesn't indicate someone is a good or bad putter.

PPR is a meaningless stat. If you miss every green you will have a lower PPR. Doesn't mean you are a good putter.

Putts gained per round is a much more meaningful stat.

Same with every stat I guess. Strokes gained is probably all that matters, even for driving.

But the driving stats seem to be much more predictive of a top player than putting stats.

mavsfan4ever said:

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PPR is a meaningless stat. If you miss every green you will have a lower PPR. Doesn't mean you are a good putter.

Putts gained per round is a much more meaningful stat.

Same with every stat I guess. Strokes gained is probably all that matters, even for driving.

But the driving stats seem to be much more predictive of a top player than putting stats.

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My point exactly

AggieDruggist89 said:

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Purely looking at PPR tells nothing

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PPR combined with the other stats I listed give a good Blueprint.

Money List...OWGR...Driver Distance...well...OK.

I'm on Tour though...what do I need to work on to keep my card?

Rise up on the Money List? Derrrr.
Increase my Driving Distance for 2 measured holes per Round? Derrrr.

I'm about to have to go to the KF. What do I need to work on?

mavsfan4ever said:

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PPR is a meaningless stat. If you miss every green you will have a lower PPR. Doesn't mean you are a good putter.

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If I'm hitting 12 GIR and 38 PPR it tells me exactly what I need to work on.

I don't know why you're arguing.

We both agree PPR is worthless. But what other stat makes PPR valid???

Say PPR is improving but GIR is worsening, is the players putting improving? Probably not.

I don't know why you'd make a point about pros using the stats to improve their money list or owgr ranking. That has nothing to do with the point of this thread.

I will type again. PPR is useless. Driver Distance is a cool Stat. Who doesn't want to hit it further. MISIG. Money list and scoring average show who's playing good golf.

What am I saying that is wrong that's prompting yoi to continue to type gibberish argument about how and why pros are doing what? I couldn't careless what they do.

jj9000 said:

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mavsfan4ever said:

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PPR is a meaningless stat. If you miss every green you will have a lower PPR. Doesn't mean you are a good putter.

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If I'm hitting 12 GIR and 38 PPR it tells me exactly what I need to work on.

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Chip better and knock it closer on the approach?

Or knock it closer on your bunker shots?

Or miss it on the right side?

Bottomline is PPR doesn't tell u chit without other stats.

AggieDruggist89 said:

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Driver Distance is a cool Stat. Who doesn't want to hit it further. MISIG. Money list and scoring average show who's playing good golf.

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Shark... Jumped.

last round - 13 greens, 12 fairways hit and shot -1, 33 putts. I did have a penalty stroke in there, but yes that is a good round, but I can't help but be frustrated with 13 birdie putts and only ending up -1. Don't get me wrong - happy with the round, but IMHO *should* be better. 4 birdies, 3 bogeys. 2 of those birdies were 2 putts. So I went 2 for 13 birdie attempts.

I made a 30' on 2 for birdie but every other made putt was < 3', which says a lot about my lag putting.

I do also take into consideration this was at Vaaler Creek, which IMHO has some tricky greens on some holes.

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#1 on the tour is Peter Uihlein. He's also 200th+ on greens in reg.

One putt up and down feels good but doesn't make you a good putter.

Putter ranking should be measured based on the putts per GIR.

You will also see that those with higher GIR% tend to have worse putts per round.

So those of you bragging you had 25 putts per round, do you know how I know you can't hit greens in reg worth a chit...

This is all prompted by Brandel Chamblee's comment regarding total # of putts during some previous Masters. Never really cared for him as a golfer and an analyst but now he just comes off like full of chit.

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Occasionally I'll play a round and enter shots as I go on Grint. I played like hell a couple weeks ago and after I was done had a badge for a round free of 3 putts. Made me chuckle.

14 GIR today, 0 birdies. 38 putts. Truly awful iron play AND putting.