This is insane. We play here nearly every Friday as non Houston residents....not anymore

Curious where you got this. It says effective Jan 1, 2021 but they haven't been going by this. As a city resident, I love the rate, but the non-resident rate is certainly a little steep for the course in its current shape. Give it another growing season and that will probably be about right though.

As a non Houston person not in the know...what we're the rates before?

Hotdog Hamblin said:

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Curious where you got this. It says effective Jan 1, 2021 but they haven't been going by this. As a city resident, I love the rate, but the non-resident rate is certainly a little steep for the course in its current shape. Give it another growing season and that will probably be about right though.

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In the pro shop

investorAg83 said:

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As a non Houston person not in the know...what we're the rates before?

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40 bucks

The non-resident rates seem to be about $40 too high but not crazy, IMO.

Between the extremely affordable rates for Houstonians and the fact that it's a "Tour stop," I suspect the course will be just fine.

The resident fee is prob too low and the non-resident too high.

I could see maybe charging $60-80 but $120-140 is awfully steep.

And there's plenty of locals to support that course. There's people lined up at 630 every morning to get on the walk on list.

This won't hurt them one bit.

And Gus is already getting tough to get on and I imagine is gonna be damn near impossible now.

Also there's a big loop hole in the system as it is right now.

Right now the system only requires the person making the tee time to be a resident. So I could make a tee time for my foursome and prepay the resident rate for all four.

Are they going to do away with all prepaid times and charge people at the counter based on their address? Sew like that's the only way to truly charge people the correct rates.

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And there's plenty of locals to support that course. There's people lined up at 630 every morning to get on the walk on list.

This won't hurt them one bit.

And Gus is already getting tough to get on and I imagine is gonna be damn near impossible now.

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My group has never had issues getting Fridays at either but who knows

Ag_07 said:

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Also there's a big loop hole in the system as it is right now.

Right now the system only requires the person making the tee time to be a resident. So I could make a tee time for my foursome and prepay the resident rate for all four.

Are they going to do away with all prepaid times and charge people at the counter based on their address? Sew like that's the only way to truly charge people the correct rates.

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You have to get a new log in and to get resident rate each person must have a verified ID ME account or it'll be a non resident fee

Now that's interesting.

So if I make a foursome tee time as a resident I have to enter all my foursomes info and if they're not all a resident we all pay nonresident fees?

Not sure how that's gonna work

Correct per the guy in club house. Otherwise my group would be set because we have 1 resident.


Same thing at Torrey per my memory. Buddy was local and booked time but I paid non resident rate when I showed up because they asked for ID

And this is why I hate muni courses. As a consumer in Houston, it's great. As someone from the golf business it puts a competing course at a severe disadvantage in the golf market.

Are their greens alive?

This sucks. I wish they'd allow people who WORK in Houston with a verifiable pay stub to take advantage of resident rates. If I'm a course outside of the city limits, I'd start using a similar pricing structure to penalize Houston residents.

How so?

Seems like this would give competing courses an advantage. Play here for cheaper no matter where you live.

As already mentioned Gus is loving this.

Marauder Blue 6 said:

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If I'm a course outside of the city limits, I'd start using a similar pricing structure to penalize Houston residents.

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Supply and Demand won't allow Houston suburb courses to take this route...unless there are Houston suburb courses that have people waiting outside on off days for tee times.

Add in the fact that this is a PGA Tour stop now...and you've got ultra-high Demand.

I don't know the background...but...did Houston proper taxpayers fund the bill for the Tour renovations?

If so...then this makes even more sense.

Troutslime said:

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And this is why I hate muni courses. As a consumer in Houston, it's great. As someone from the golf business it puts a competing course at a severe disadvantage in the golf market.

Are their greens alive?

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Ran the track the other evening...no greens...they now have browns.

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I don't know the background...but...did Houston proper taxpayers fund the bill for the Tour renovations?

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If I'm not mistaken some tax money was used, but most of it was from the Astros Foundation.

But regardless operation and maintenance falls under the City of Houston parks and rec department which taxpayers fund.

SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Troutslime said:

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And this is why I hate muni courses. As a consumer in Houston, it's great. As someone from the golf business it puts a competing course at a severe disadvantage in the golf market.

Are their greens alive?

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Ran the track the other evening...no greens...they now have browns.

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And incredibly slow

Mr.Bond said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Troutslime said:

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And this is why I hate muni courses. As a consumer in Houston, it's great. As someone from the golf business it puts a competing course at a severe disadvantage in the golf market.

Are their greens alive?

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Ran the track the other evening...no greens...they now have browns.

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And incredibly slow

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Yep, even a few weeks before the freeze, played it on a Wednesday evening and couldn't believe how slow they were compared to normal. With my putting game and the new undulations, it definitely helped though. They were super speedy back in September.

I love the new layout of the front 9 and the overall look of the course, as I usually only play evenings, but am hoping to check out the rest of the course soon. Haven't played a full round there in 2-3 years but have prob played the front 9-12 fifty times in that time frame.

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How so?

Seems like this would give competing courses an advantage. Play here for cheaper no matter where you live.

As already mentioned Gus is loving this.

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Now think of the residents that won't be playing anywhere else.

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Ag_07 said:

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I don't think that's outrageous for one of the top munis in the area and a PGA tour course.

I also like the idea of making a City of Houston muni course cheaper for City of Houston residents.

While it does suck for nonresidents maybe it'll make it easier for some us residents to actually get tee times.

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I just couldn't disagree more. At least half a dozen courses in Houston area in 60 to 90 range that Trump memorial. I could be wrong but I think this decision bites them in the ass. Houston isn't a golf destination. Courses here thrive off locals .


Gus has to love this decision

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I'd like to know your public list here? And how many of them are in central Houston? I think that's the point here....

If someone played there every Friday, that would be the monthly dues at a number of private courses in the areas surrounding Houston.

It's currently letting you book as non-resident at the normal rates. I am curious if after March 1 they'll be charging more on site when you arrive or if it's just not into effect yet. They posted all that on site and didn't do it in January. Then online it says effective March 1, 2021.. who knows

How do they know you're a non-resident? My mailing address is Houston but I live in unincorporated Harris Co. Are they pulling up your address on something or do you just show them your drivers license?

This is exactly what they said they'd do when they first closed for the renovation.