jj9000 said:
Trinity Ag said:
Mr.Bond said:
Jjstats08 said:
So....I guess if you think there's no reason to buy pxg unless you're a person that wastes money and snobby things, you must drive like a Nissan Altima or Honda Civic. Surely you didn't just waste money on a nicer car that does the exact same thing as every other car??
Apples to oranges. Nicer vehicles have technology and features cheaper cars don't. Pxg does exactly the same thing the lower cost OEMs can
PXG is the only iron I am aware of that has adjustable perimeter weighting that can be tailored/fit to an individual player.
I don't play PXG (Titleist MB and CB), and don't know how much such refined adjustments really matter in dialing in performance/flight/gapping, but I can understand how they might.
That fit/adjustability is part of what you are paying for.
The guys I know that play them rave about the detail that went into their fitting.
That degree of fine tuning is likely lost on the vast majority of golfers.
Their niche is the 50+ yo golfer with a solid (or at least) consistent swing who has lost clubhead speed & distance, and is willing to pay a premium for a custom fit to maximize what they can get out of their swing.
If some other club manufacturer is selling that service, I'm unaware of it.
Swingweight adjustments with brass or lead tip weights can be applied to any OEM club and shaft.
There's not enough mass in those PXG hex screws to move the COG, or, really matter all that much. It takes around 25-50 grams to barely move COG, and the COG move would be so small it would be un-noticible.
Several of the PXG fitters I've seen came from TMaG, and I'd put their fitting skills up against Bo at GolfTech...and take Bo's fitting 10 times out of 10. In fact, there's a giant thread over on WRX outlining the PXG clubfitting, then wayyy off spec clubs once built.
I'm not trying to be argumentative, I'm just saying there's nothing special about PXG that you can't get elsewhere for a fraction of the price.
A casual glance shows PXG irons have 6-10 screws ranging from .42 to 4 grams each. I'm not club fitter, so I can't say what the difference between moving 10-12 grams from the toe to the heel of a club might be, or added 12-16 grams to a club head, but pretty much every Driver Manufacturer uses 4-16g weights to adjust driver performance.
Why does an iron require 25-50 to adjust COG/MOI?
Given that club manufactures market shafts in 5 gram increments, it is either not as minimal as you claim, or it is ALL a marketing scam. But it can't be both.
And I recognize that a good fitter can use lead tape to shape head weighting.
I also recognize why a golf company could easily sell adjustable weight screws as a more consistent, adjustable, durable -- and certainly more attractive -- alternative to lead tape.And that is the market niche PXG has very effectively carved out - with a demographic willing to pay for even a small perceived edge.
Again, I'm not here to defend their pricing, or say they are "worth it". Frankly, 80% of club manufacturing is marketing.
In theory, and if properly fit, I can see how their technology can make a difference. Whether their individual fitters can (and do) deliver that difference to the average golfer is a different question.