https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/sports/pga-tour-says-att-byron-nelson-tournament-will-move-after-2020/2290758/

Not totally surprised this is happening, but I'm surprised it happened so quickly.

Woah.

I guess they can go back to Las Colinas if they want. I know they have had Korn Ferry Tour events or whatever it's called at TPC Craig Ranch, is it good enough to host a PGA Tour event?

thank god; the minute the Nelson left TPC Las Colinas, the parties & vibe that made this an "event" which also hosted a golf tournament evaporated overnight

most homeowners along the course lost a lot of revenue, too

good. went first year and said i'd never go back.

look forward to las colinas.

Mayor Rawlings just had to have an event in Dallas. Damn the logistics. TPC LC is not a great golf course but it had everything else that TF did not. TPC LC had the four seasons that put up players families for the week. TF had a dump and bad traffic.

Agree that it'll go back to Las Colinas until the course in Frisco is done.

03ki11erAG said:

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Mayor Rawlings just had to have an event in Dallas. Damn the logistics. TPC LC is not a great golf course but it had everything else that TF did not. TPC LC had the four seasons that put up players families for the week. TF had a dump and bad traffic.

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funny how the city of Dallas passes on revitalizing SE Dallas with a $ignificant contribution from the Hall of State Trust who owns the State Fair grounds (cotton bowl), but the float tax payer bonds to "revitalize" the southern sector with a private golf club that 99% of Dallas taxpayers will never play and / or don't have an interest in playing...another govt boondoggle that fails...lol #typical

I went every year for about the last 5 years at Las Colinas before the switch. I went the first year to Trinity Forest but not last year.

The atmosphere at Las Colinas was so much better overall. Available shade at Trinity Forest was almost non-existent, which made bearing the heat pretty difficult.

I will admit I am a bit biased because I work only a mile from Las Colinas.

Nope. The party scene did not follow it to the scorching landfill.

Another factor is that it just looked terrible on tv. Every hole was hard to picture on the broadcast and seemed the same. There was no cover for equipment, etc. Nothing about it drew interest to watch or go out there.

Well that sucks. Haven't been in a few years. Wasn't my favorite tourney to attend but it was always fun enough at Las Colinas.

I could be wrong but I don't think the Frisco PGA compound will be in the plans for the Byron. That facility will be run by the PGA of America, separate from the PGA Tour. Maybe the two will reach an agreement to play the tournament there but typically they don't see eye to eye on much.

Hopefully they keep it reasonably close to the city. TPC Las Colinas isn't ideal from a pure golf course standpoint, but it seems to get alot of other factors in hosting a tournament right. Basically the opposite of Trinity Forest.

DannyDuberstein said:

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Yeah, everything about the 4 Seasons was perfect except the course itself. They treat the players and their families like kings and the onsite accommodations for the families are difficult to beat. And it's not a bad course. Mostly just extremely generic and forgettable, but there are worse things to be than that.

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Hence why the players hated Trinity. They got pampered at the four seasons and got to play a course that was familiar and comfortable to them. They dont like to be taken out of a comfort zone.

It's been ages since I last played the TPC. But I have played it many times including competitively. I never really understood the argument against the golf course. It's not Colonial or anything, but I dont remember anything really wrong with it. A lot of courses these guys play are nothing special architecturally. Yet it always seems to be at the very bottom of those lists. What is it exactly about the course that they didnt like?

My brother lived inside the TPC LC course (between #3 green and #4 tee) for about 10 years. Was such a fun event when you could wake up, and walk out to the action, not to mention having great parking. I am gonna bet that players looked at that event in the following fashion:

1) starts a 2-week stint (when Colonial was back to back) where they could drive 30 mins to the next tour stop and not have to worry about airport travel
2) nice hotel/pool for the family to travel along with
3) legend of golf Mr. Nelson
4) social scene on/off the course
5) quality of the course itself

The tournament itself, as a total package is a good event, not great. Tournament lost its identity when Nelson died...it got euthanized when it went to such a strange non-descript golf course not well suited for hosting an event (from what I understand).

Again, likely the ones that got hurt the most were the salesmanship club and all that it does.

agsalaska said:

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It's been ages since I last played the TPC. But I have played it many times including competitively. I never really understood the argument against the golf course. It's not Colonial or anything, but I dont remember anything really wrong with it. A lot of courses these guys play are nothing special architecturally. Yet it always seems to be at the very bottom of those lists. What is it exactly about the course that they didnt like?

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Been saying this for years. It's surrounded by bland office complexes but the course is pretty good.

One of the complaints for years was the two course tournament. They stopped that awhile ago. Players always bellyache when multiple courses are used in tournament.

I don't care what they think. As a fan, I love having two or three courses in a tournament.

I also think players hated the "obligation" to play the tournament as long as Byron was alive.

That course doesn't need to exist now does it? Will it fold entirely? Can't imagine it has a robust membership.

Gig-Em2003 said:

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That course doesn't need to exist now does it? Will it fold entirely? Can't imagine it has a robust membership.

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home of smu golf and altus performance i believe.

ruddyduck said:

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Gig-Em2003 said:

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That course doesn't need to exist now does it? Will it fold entirely? Can't imagine it has a robust membership.

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home of smu golf and altus performance i believe.

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Yea but both of those things could change as fast as the PGA event did. Especially SMU golf. Hell they have probably been looking for an excuse.

Seems like a terrible spot for SMU golf given they are surrounded by 10 good to great private clubs in closer proximity.

agsalaska said:

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ruddyduck said:

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Gig-Em2003 said:

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That course doesn't need to exist now does it? Will it fold entirely? Can't imagine it has a robust membership.

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home of smu golf and altus performance i believe.

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Yea but both of those things could change as fast as the PGA event did. Especially SMU golf. Hell they have probably been looking for an excuse.

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i think i heard cameron mccormick say they had like 60 acres or so of practice area out there and a pretty spectacular/state of the art set up out there that they spent a fortune building.

i don't think it's as easy as just picking up and moving for them.

Their membership is extremely small and it's what they wanted when they built the course. I believe they're less than 100 members. Spieth and Romo included.

SMU has a relatively-new facility at DAC and they have "access" virtually wherever they want...

One issue about TF is the commute to that part of town and there's been a big deal made by the girl's team, especially this time of year when there are fewer daylight hours.

This venue was a bad sell from the beginning. The City of Dallas received a lot of pressure from the tournament sponsor, AT&T, and the leverage they employed with their lobbying-arm. Once again, Dallas gets screwed due to weak leadership.

92TXAG said:

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SMU has a relatively-new facility at DAC and they have "access" virtually wherever they want...

One issue about TF is the commute to that part of town and there's been a big deal made by the girl's team, especially this time of year when there are fewer daylight hours.

This venue was a bad sell from the beginning. The City of Dallas received a lot of pressure from the tournament sponsor, AT&T, and the leverage they employed with their lobbying-arm. Once again, Dallas gets screwed due to weak leadership.

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Does the city still have a financial commitment left to contribute/pay or has it already been given to the club?

good question; the land was basically a wash (no pun intended for that landfill)...but the city will never cease to tax the citizens