. . . the most destructive thing that has ever happened to the football program at the University of Texas. We are seeing the first fruits of that decision now. The damage done will only deepen as years go by. They will never return to their once dominant position. By the way, it will also prove to be the best thing that has ever happened to Aggie football. THE ONLY POSSIBLE THING TU CAN DO TO REVERSE IT IS TO COME HAT IN HAND AND PETITION THE SEC TO GET IN. Their extreme arrogance will not ever permit them to do that. There is no other conceivable solution for them.
A&M leaving BDF for SEC will turn out to be . . .
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OU has shown you only have to win the Big 12 as an undefeated and you will get a shot in the play off. I like that the UT admin has clearly made a move to win with the hire of Sarkisian. Whether that bears fruit or not is another story, but previously I had my doubts about how committed UT really was to winning in sports.
And consider what if the playoffs expand to 8 teams....
And consider what if the playoffs expand to 8 teams....
Texas ain't getting in the SEC.... delusional.
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Remember, big city media will still not mention the Ags much as they are committed to pretending that A&M left the state, and the entire state (apparently made up of 4 teams) is Big XII country.
Interestingly, Dallas media happily talks non-stop about OU as if they are located in Texas.
Fortunately, recruits don't watch local news.
Interestingly, Dallas media happily talks non-stop about OU as if they are located in Texas.
Fortunately, recruits don't watch local news.
You better hope they expand to 16 or 32.AlexNguyen said:
OU has shown you only have to win the Big 12 as an undefeated and you will get a shot in the play off. I like that the UT admin has clearly made a move to win with the hire of Sarkisian. Whether that bears fruit or not is another story, but previously I had my doubts about how committed UT really was to winning in sports.
And consider what if the playoffs expand to 8 teams....
I don't think so. A good Texas team does fine in an 8 team play off. We've seen very recently that eyeballs still is a big factor in who gets picked.aTmAg said:You better hope they expand to 16 or 32.AlexNguyen said:
OU has shown you only have to win the Big 12 as an undefeated and you will get a shot in the play off. I like that the UT admin has clearly made a move to win with the hire of Sarkisian. Whether that bears fruit or not is another story, but previously I had my doubts about how committed UT really was to winning in sports.
And consider what if the playoffs expand to 8 teams....
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Their extreme arrogance will not ever permit them to do that.
You actually think they are the ones that will not permit them entry?
AlexNguyen said:
I like that the UT admin has clearly made a move to win with the hire of Sarkisian. Whether that bears fruit or not is another story
What the hell does this even mean? You could say the exact same thing with literally any other person they hired.
You really need that explained? Past UT admins wouldn't have touched someone like Sarkisian with his personal issues with a 10 foot pole.Passionate Besos said:AlexNguyen said:
I like that the UT admin has clearly made a move to win with the hire of Sarkisian. Whether that bears fruit or not is another story
What the hell does this even mean? You could say the exact same thing with literally any other person they hired.
They clearly made the move to win by hiring a .500 career coach with a past drinking problem. Clearly.
It's pretty sad that you would have to depend on eyeballs to get in rather than performance.AlexNguyen said:I don't think so. A good Texas team does fine in an 8 team play off. We've seen very recently that eyeballs still is a big factor in who gets picked.aTmAg said:You better hope they expand to 16 or 32.AlexNguyen said:
OU has shown you only have to win the Big 12 as an undefeated and you will get a shot in the play off. I like that the UT admin has clearly made a move to win with the hire of Sarkisian. Whether that bears fruit or not is another story, but previously I had my doubts about how committed UT really was to winning in sports.
And consider what if the playoffs expand to 8 teams....
And even so, by 2025 all your t-shirt fans may be gone.
OU has shown they can consistently be the tallest midget, and then bounced from the playoffs
Eyeballs are what matters otherwise the G5s like Cincinnati or UCF from a few years ago would have gotten a shot. Your wild shot in the dark does not anger me. College football is what it is. Eyeballs do matter until the system changes in a huge way.aTmAg said:It's pretty sad that you would have to depend on eyeballs to get in rather than performance.AlexNguyen said:I don't think so. A good Texas team does fine in an 8 team play off. We've seen very recently that eyeballs still is a big factor in who gets picked.aTmAg said:You better hope they expand to 16 or 32.AlexNguyen said:
OU has shown you only have to win the Big 12 as an undefeated and you will get a shot in the play off. I like that the UT admin has clearly made a move to win with the hire of Sarkisian. Whether that bears fruit or not is another story, but previously I had my doubts about how committed UT really was to winning in sports.
And consider what if the playoffs expand to 8 teams....
And even so, by 2025 all your t-shirt fans may be gone.
You only need to get there and then you have a puncher's chance. Teams that should not on paper lose all the time when the game is actually played.MROD92 said:
OU has shown they can consistently be the tallest midget, and then bounced from the playoffs
They wouldn't have gotten a shot because they weren't good enough. Which is the same reason tu would likely not get a shot either.AlexNguyen said:Eyeballs are what matters otherwise the G5s like Cincinnati or UCF from a few years ago would have gotten a shot. Your wild shot in the dark does not anger me. College football is what it is. Eyeballs do matter until the system changes in a huge way.aTmAg said:It's pretty sad that you would have to depend on eyeballs to get in rather than performance.AlexNguyen said:I don't think so. A good Texas team does fine in an 8 team play off. We've seen very recently that eyeballs still is a big factor in who gets picked.aTmAg said:You better hope they expand to 16 or 32.AlexNguyen said:
OU has shown you only have to win the Big 12 as an undefeated and you will get a shot in the play off. I like that the UT admin has clearly made a move to win with the hire of Sarkisian. Whether that bears fruit or not is another story, but previously I had my doubts about how committed UT really was to winning in sports.
And consider what if the playoffs expand to 8 teams....
And even so, by 2025 all your t-shirt fans may be gone.
An undefeated Texas team gets into the 4 team play off. A 1 loss Texas team might have a chance in an 8 team playoff depending on whatever else happened. Sorry if that irritates you for whatever reason.aTmAg said:They wouldn't have gotten a shot because they weren't good enough. Which is the same reason tu would likely not get a shot either.AlexNguyen said:Eyeballs are what matters otherwise the G5s like Cincinnati or UCF from a few years ago would have gotten a shot. Your wild shot in the dark does not anger me. College football is what it is. Eyeballs do matter until the system changes in a huge way.aTmAg said:It's pretty sad that you would have to depend on eyeballs to get in rather than performance.AlexNguyen said:I don't think so. A good Texas team does fine in an 8 team play off. We've seen very recently that eyeballs still is a big factor in who gets picked.aTmAg said:You better hope they expand to 16 or 32.AlexNguyen said:
OU has shown you only have to win the Big 12 as an undefeated and you will get a shot in the play off. I like that the UT admin has clearly made a move to win with the hire of Sarkisian. Whether that bears fruit or not is another story, but previously I had my doubts about how committed UT really was to winning in sports.
And consider what if the playoffs expand to 8 teams....
And even so, by 2025 all your t-shirt fans may be gone.
AlexNguyen said:You only need to get there and then you have a puncher's chance. Teams that should not on paper lose all the time when the game is actually played.MROD92 said:
OU has shown they can consistently be the tallest midget, and then bounced from the playoffs
Spoken like a true sip. Create the easiest path, bend the rules to your favor then hope for the best
Sure, man. That doesn't sting either.MROD92 said:AlexNguyen said:You only need to get there and then you have a puncher's chance. Teams that should not on paper lose all the time when the game is actually played.MROD92 said:
OU has shown they can consistently be the tallest midget, and then bounced from the playoffs
Spoken like a true sip. Create the easiest path, bend the rules to your favor then hope for the best
The B12 is becoming more and more of a joke every year. By the time you guys ever get another B12 championship, you may be on the same status as the PAC12. Then you have to hope that the champions of legit conferences aren't undefeated too.AlexNguyen said:An undefeated Texas team gets into the 4 team play off. A 1 loss Texas team might have a chance in an 8 team playoff depending on whatever else happened. Sorry if that irritates you for whatever reason.aTmAg said:They wouldn't have gotten a shot because they weren't good enough. Which is the same reason tu would likely not get a shot either.AlexNguyen said:Eyeballs are what matters otherwise the G5s like Cincinnati or UCF from a few years ago would have gotten a shot. Your wild shot in the dark does not anger me. College football is what it is. Eyeballs do matter until the system changes in a huge way.aTmAg said:It's pretty sad that you would have to depend on eyeballs to get in rather than performance.AlexNguyen said:I don't think so. A good Texas team does fine in an 8 team play off. We've seen very recently that eyeballs still is a big factor in who gets picked.aTmAg said:You better hope they expand to 16 or 32.AlexNguyen said:
OU has shown you only have to win the Big 12 as an undefeated and you will get a shot in the play off. I like that the UT admin has clearly made a move to win with the hire of Sarkisian. Whether that bears fruit or not is another story, but previously I had my doubts about how committed UT really was to winning in sports.
And consider what if the playoffs expand to 8 teams....
And even so, by 2025 all your t-shirt fans may be gone.
Yeah, I don't see that happening. Football is too important in the Great Plains and in Texas. Economically, these regions will not accept teams that have no chance at winning a NC. The Big 12 will remain a P5 or P4 until the system changes completely.aTmAg said:
The B12 is becoming more and more of a joke every year. By the time you guys ever get another B12 championship, you may be on the same status as the PAC12. Then you have to hope that the champions of legit conferences aren't undefeated too.
Genuine question despite the nature of this board. The outsiders perception is that Texas is more concerned with becoming Berkeley than with winning in sports. your first post on this thread suggests you would be willing to believe that to be true. If the academic side of the house doesn't care about sports then the question is what is propping them up. My answer would be the old guard donors and if that's true what happens when those guys die. Right now the outsiders perception is that Texas is dying athletically and that there's nobody behind the old guard who is willing to fund this thing at level necessary to win. Thoughts?AlexNguyen said:Yeah, I don't see that happening. Football is too important in the Great Plains and in Texas. Economically, these regions will not accept teams that have no chance at winning a NC. The Big 12 will remain a P5 or P4 until the system changes completely.aTmAg said:
The B12 is becoming more and more of a joke every year. By the time you guys ever get another B12 championship, you may be on the same status as the PAC12. Then you have to hope that the champions of legit conferences aren't undefeated too.
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You probably didn't see us leaving for the SEC or having tu implode in the meantime either.AlexNguyen said:Yeah, I don't see that happening. Football is too important in the Great Plains and in Texas. Economically, these regions will not accept teams that have no chance at winning a NC. The Big 12 will remain a P5 or P4 until the system changes completely.aTmAg said:
The B12 is becoming more and more of a joke every year. By the time you guys ever get another B12 championship, you may be on the same status as the PAC12. Then you have to hope that the champions of legit conferences aren't undefeated too.
You ever heard of Augie Garrido?AlexNguyen said:You really need that explained? Past UT admins wouldn't have touched someone like Sarkisian with his personal issues with a 10 foot pole.Passionate Besos said:AlexNguyen said:
I like that the UT admin has clearly made a move to win with the hire of Sarkisian. Whether that bears fruit or not is another story
What the hell does this even mean? You could say the exact same thing with literally any other person they hired.
I think you might be overstating matters by calling that "the outsider's perception". I'm an outsider, and that isn't my perception. My perception is that the people who care about academics and those who care about athletics at t.u. are not the same people, and that won't change. Nor do I perceive that they are "dying athletically". They've simply reverted to their normal performance in the era of scholarship limits and racial integration (after the brief anomaly under Mack Brown).LOYAL AG said:Genuine question despite the nature of this board. The outsiders perception is that Texas is more concerned with becoming Berkeley than with winning in sports. your first post on this thread suggests you would be willing to believe that to be true. If the academic side of the house doesn't care about sports then the question is what is propping them up. My answer would be the old guard donors and if that's true what happens when those guys die. Right now the outsiders perception is that Texas is dying athletically and that there's nobody behind the old guard who is willing to fund this thing at level necessary to win. Thoughts?AlexNguyen said:Yeah, I don't see that happening. Football is too important in the Great Plains and in Texas. Economically, these regions will not accept teams that have no chance at winning a NC. The Big 12 will remain a P5 or P4 until the system changes completely.aTmAg said:
The B12 is becoming more and more of a joke every year. By the time you guys ever get another B12 championship, you may be on the same status as the PAC12. Then you have to hope that the champions of legit conferences aren't undefeated too.
I think that was exactly true with Bill Powers and Larry Faulkner as past UT presidents. They were happy with Texas being competitive and did not think athletics should eclipse the school's mission as a research engine to grow the state and country's economy. Ironic because Texas saw a huge increase in student interest when the Longhorns won the 2005 title in the Rose Bowl.LOYAL AG said:
Genuine question despite the nature of this board. The outsiders perception is that Texas is more concerned with becoming Berkeley than with winning in sports. your first post on this thread suggests you would be willing to believe that to be true. If the academic side of the house doesn't care about sports then the question is what is propping them up. My answer would be the old guard donors and if that's true what happens when those guys die. Right now the outsiders perception is that Texas is dying athletically and that there's nobody behind the old guard who is willing to fund this thing at level necessary to win. Thoughts?
I think there is synergy that should be tapped. The two arms should work hand in hand. Athletics is the public face of the university to the broad majority of America. The smarter donors know this surely. I am not connected into the donor scene so I do not know if there are any mega young donors. I can't image there not be any cultivated however. You don't necessarily have to have graduated from the school to reap the advantages whatever they are of giving a lot of money. T. Boone Pickens gave a lot of money to many schools other than A&M and OSU.
I have. I also had no idea about his drinking issues before they arose again in Austin. Baseball ain't football.Science Denier said:You ever heard of Augie Garrido?AlexNguyen said:You really need that explained? Past UT admins wouldn't have touched someone like Sarkisian with his personal issues with a 10 foot pole.Passionate Besos said:AlexNguyen said:
I like that the UT admin has clearly made a move to win with the hire of Sarkisian. Whether that bears fruit or not is another story
What the hell does this even mean? You could say the exact same thing with literally any other person they hired.
The three aren't connected events no matter your premise. Texas is entirely capable of succeeding or failing regardless of A&M conference affiliation. We affect each peripherally as competitors for fans and players but our separate success does not depend on each other failing.aTmAg said:You probably didn't see us leaving for the SEC or having tu implode in the meantime either.AlexNguyen said:Yeah, I don't see that happening. Football is too important in the Great Plains and in Texas. Economically, these regions will not accept teams that have no chance at winning a NC. The Big 12 will remain a P5 or P4 until the system changes completely.aTmAg said:
The B12 is becoming more and more of a joke every year. By the time you guys ever get another B12 championship, you may be on the same status as the PAC12. Then you have to hope that the champions of legit conferences aren't undefeated too.
I stand by my statement that the decision makers in the Big 12 schools and states will not allow the Big 12 to falter past the point of healing.
I still don't understand why the horns have not explored and seriously considered going independent.
half the teams in the BDF would still agree to play them each year...and the other half was dragging down their SoS anyway
half the teams in the BDF would still agree to play them each year...and the other half was dragging down their SoS anyway
The negotiations just to get a bowl tie in would be impossible. Then you look at TV etc. Nope, UT does well financially by staying exactly where it is.W said:
I still don't understand why the horns have not explored and seriously considered going independent.
half the teams in the BDF would still agree to play them each year...and the other half was dragging down their SoS anyway
bowl tie-ins are not a problem as long as the horns are a top 10 team.
and if they are not...does it really matter which bowl game the team would go to.
the Alamo, Texas, etc.., would gladly add a caveat to their selection process
and if they are not...does it really matter which bowl game the team would go to.
the Alamo, Texas, etc.., would gladly add a caveat to their selection process
Recruits cannot go to both tu and A&M. The idea that we are completely separate is naive. Furthermore, if Texas was capable of succeeding, don't you think they would have by now? Seems to me they are not capable.AlexNguyen said:The three aren't connected events no matter your premise. Texas is entirely capable of succeeding or failing regardless of A&M conference affiliation. We affect each peripherally as competitors for fans and players but our separate success does not depend on each other failing.aTmAg said:You probably didn't see us leaving for the SEC or having tu implode in the meantime either.AlexNguyen said:Yeah, I don't see that happening. Football is too important in the Great Plains and in Texas. Economically, these regions will not accept teams that have no chance at winning a NC. The Big 12 will remain a P5 or P4 until the system changes completely.aTmAg said:
The B12 is becoming more and more of a joke every year. By the time you guys ever get another B12 championship, you may be on the same status as the PAC12. Then you have to hope that the champions of legit conferences aren't undefeated too.
I stand by my statement that the decision makers in the Big 12 schools and states will not allow the Big 12 to falter past the point of healing.
And the B12 schools and states can't work magic anymore than the SWC schools and states could for the SWC.
I just don't see the advantage. UT is one of the leaders in the Big 12. Why leave a good thing to be independent?
AlexNguyen said:
I just don't see the advantage. UT is one of the leaders in the Big 12. Why leave a good thing to be independent?
It would open up the possibility of getting your own TV network. And that would almost guarantee success.
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aTmAg said:Recruits cannot go to both tu and A&M. The idea that we are completely separate is naive. Furthermore, if Texas was capable of succeeding, don't you think they would have by now? Seems to me they are not capable.AlexNguyen said:The three aren't connected events no matter your premise. Texas is entirely capable of succeeding or failing regardless of A&M conference affiliation. We affect each peripherally as competitors for fans and players but our separate success does not depend on each other failing.aTmAg said:You probably didn't see us leaving for the SEC or having tu implode in the meantime either.AlexNguyen said:Yeah, I don't see that happening. Football is too important in the Great Plains and in Texas. Economically, these regions will not accept teams that have no chance at winning a NC. The Big 12 will remain a P5 or P4 until the system changes completely.aTmAg said:
The B12 is becoming more and more of a joke every year. By the time you guys ever get another B12 championship, you may be on the same status as the PAC12. Then you have to hope that the champions of legit conferences aren't undefeated too.
I stand by my statement that the decision makers in the Big 12 schools and states will not allow the Big 12 to falter past the point of healing.
And the B12 schools and states can't work magic anymore than the SWC schools and states could for the SWC.
But I didn't say we were completely separate. I said our success does not depend on each other failing. I think that is true enough on reflection. Gotta run an errand so no more time to write for an hour or so.
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