"Baylor needed two things: a bus and someone to throw under it."

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*********Baylor - repugnant.

http://www.wacotrib.com/news/higher_education/mccaw-baylor-regents-displayed-racism-preferred-misleading-report-on-rape/article_d6017176-142e-582d-a3bd-98c4a8e46e02.html

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Liberty University Athletics Director Ian McCaw in a deposition said Baylor University undertook "an elaborate plan that essentially scapegoated black football players and the football program for being responsible for what was a decades-long, universitywide sexual assault scandal," according to a motion filed Wednesday in Waco's U.S. District Court.

McCaw said he was "disgusted" by Baylor regents' racism and by a "phony" 13-page document held up by the board as a summary of a nine-month investigation into how Baylor responded to reports of sexual assault. He was questioned June 19 by lawyers representing 10 women who allege Baylor denied them educational opportunities protected by Title IX after they were assaulted. The motion includes excerpts from McCaw's sworn testimony.

McCaw said he resigned because he "did not want to be part of some Enron cover-up scheme," according to Wednesday's motion.

"It's bad for business. It's bad for Baylor's brand, bad for admission, bad for tuition revenue," McCaw allegedly said of the board's motivations about the scandal. "And obviously you know Baylor is heavily reliant, it does not have a large endowment, so it's heavily reliant on tuition revenue. So if there's a dip in admissions, a dip in tuition revenue, that severely affects the university."

McCaw also revealed damning testimony surrounding the sexual assault investigation at Baylor from September 2015 to May 2016, which ended when Ken Starr was removed as president and head football coach Art Briles was fired.

McCaw said Pepper Hamilton attorneys told him there would be three potential outcomes to the investigation Baylor hired them to conduct: a "detailed document," a "summary report," or "to whitewash the whole thing." He said it was ultimately decided that Baylor regent J. Cary Gray would write a "false" and "misleading finding of fact skewed to make the football program look bad and cover up the campus-wide failings."

McCaw said former Baylor Police Chief Jim Doak had discouraged reporting of sexual assaults and ignored rape reports, according to the motion. He said former high-level administrator Reagan Ramsower, who also took heavy criticism during the scandal, once said that "if Chief Doak was still here, we wouldn't fire him. We'd have to execute him."
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He went to Liberty?

Didn't they kick Baylor's ass in football last year?
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This guy may just be trying to get the Baylor stink off of himself. How is holding a football player accountable for rape throwing blacks or the football team under the bus?

If anything they were trying to cover up rapes by members of the football team to protect the program, not use it as a scapegoat.
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https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/mac-engel/article213931159.html#emlnl=Morning_Newsletter

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June 27, 2018 03:31 PM
Updated June 27, 2018 05:34 PM
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Former Baylor athletic director Ian McCaw swore under oath that BU had an "elaborate plan that essentially scapegoated the black football players and the football program for being responsible for what was a decades-long, university-wide sexual assault scandal."
He also said administrators used "racially charged labels like, '300 pound black football player.'"
Might want to keep that one out of the recruiting brochure.
This is the reason why Baylor wants this testimony sealed, and other evidence suppressed.
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Madman said:

This guy may just be trying to get the Baylor stink off of himself. How is holding a football player accountable for rape throwing blacks or the football team under the bus?

If anything they were trying to cover up rapes by members of the football team to protect the program, not use it as a scapegoat.
He's saying that the rape problems are significantly bigger than the football team and that they used the fact that some portion of them were committed by black football players to try and cover up what is a much, much bigger problem. IMO they were trying to confine the damage to the realm of NCAA violations rather than opening a can of worms with the Feds over Title IX violations.
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wbt5845 said:

"an elaborate plan that essentially scapegoated black football players and the football program for being responsible for what was a decades-long, universitywide sexual assault scandal,"
That sounds a lot like lack of institutional control. Has anyone reached out to Patrick Dennehy for comment?

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"it does not have a large endowment, so it's heavily reliant on tuition revenue"

so even former students who overpayed for the education they got don't like baylor enough to give back.
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I've been struggling for a proper analogy for this whole Baylor thing.

The best I can come up with is police inspecting a crime scene in a house and as they go from room to room, opening up doors and looking into closets, they keep finding things disgusting and horrible, each worse than the one before until finally they can't take anymore and have to go outside and throw up.
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HeyMoe said:

I've been struggling for a proper analogy for this whole Baylor thing.

The best I can come up with is police inspecting a crime scene in a house and as they go from room to room, opening up doors and looking into closets, they keep finding things disgusting and horrible, each worse than the one before until finally they can't take anymore and have to go outside and throw up.

I was thinking more along the lines of a corn-infested, runny, hot growler.
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LOYAL AG said:

Madman said:

This guy may just be trying to get the Baylor stink off of himself. How is holding a football player accountable for rape throwing blacks or the football team under the bus?

If anything they were trying to cover up rapes by members of the football team to protect the program, not use it as a scapegoat.
He's saying that the rape problems are significantly bigger than the football team and that they used the fact that some portion of them were committed by black football players to try and cover up what is a much, much bigger problem. IMO they were trying to confine the damage to the realm of NCAA violations rather than opening a can of worms with the Feds over Title IX violations.
You may be correct but it would seem most probable to me if anything was going to be protected it was going to be the football program and by association the players and coaches.

The girls and everything else not so much.
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Madman said:

LOYAL AG said:

Madman said:

This guy may just be trying to get the Baylor stink off of himself. How is holding a football player accountable for rape throwing blacks or the football team under the bus?

If anything they were trying to cover up rapes by members of the football team to protect the program, not use it as a scapegoat.
He's saying that the rape problems are significantly bigger than the football team and that they used the fact that some portion of them were committed by black football players to try and cover up what is a much, much bigger problem. IMO they were trying to confine the damage to the realm of NCAA violations rather than opening a can of worms with the Feds over Title IX violations.
You may be correct but it would seem most probable to me if anything was going to be protected it was going to be the football program and by association the players and coaches.

The girls and everything else not so much.
I think it was about protecting the university. I think they're looking at possible criminal charges for administrators. The Title IX issues could bring problems with federal funding. The problems are significantly worse than whether football program is more important than the girls the players raped. McCaw is saying that the future of the university is a concern. If this were a stock it'd be on bankruptcy watch. I'm not saying Baylor goes away but that we could see a significant contraction and a virtual end to Baylor athletics. They have a nominal endowment so they really don't have much room to fall before it enters an economic crisis.

I did a small bit of digging into Baylor, TCU and SMU and their endowments compared to enrollment and cost of attendance. I added Vanderbilt just for comparison to an elite private school and A&M to compare a large public school in Texas.

School - Endowment - Enrollment - Per Student
Baylor....$1.23B..........16,787...........$73,271
TCU.......$1.52B..........10,489...........$144,912
SMU.......$1.514B........11,739...........$128,972
Vandy.....$4.1B.............12,686..........$323.191
A&M.......$9.8B............68,603...........$142,851

What I see is that the private school with the largest enrollment has the smallest endowment. Baylor's endowment per student is half of TCU and less than a quarter of Vanderbilt. This doesn't look like a school with a long runway is my point. A drop in enrollment because the public learns that the rape problems are much bigger than just a rogue football coach and his band of thugs would be a major, major problem for any school but particularly for one with such a small financial cushion.
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That is the best analysis I've read.
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Flashdiaz said:

"it does not have a large endowment, so it's heavily reliant on tuition revenue"

so even former students who overpayed for the education they got don't like baylor enough to give back.

Hard to make meaningful donations on a camp counselor's salary.
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Death penalty. Give it to them.
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Yep. The fact that all of this happened because they were trying to do whatever it took to get over the hump and finally have a big-time program is enough to convince me death penalty for their athletics should be a part of their punishment.
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Flashdiaz said:

"it does not have a large endowment, so it's heavily reliant on tuition revenue"

so even former students who overpayed for the education they got don't like baylor enough to give back.
They're too busy propping up the sips.
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Madman said:

This guy may just be trying to get the Baylor stink off of himself. How is holding a football player accountable for rape throwing blacks or the football team under the bus?

If anything they were trying to cover up rapes by members of the football team to protect the program, not use it as a scapegoat.


Because he's racist and thinks only blacks can play football.
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The rise of the football program was putting it on the map so to speak. Regardless of what was going on at the university, it was protect the athletic program because it was building the school and the image. They had never had national attention or been talked about on sports stations. He is just trying to deflect attention from himself and say it was an entire school problem bigger than the athletic department.
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Madman said:

This guy may just be trying to get the Baylor stink off of himself. How is holding a football player accountable for rape throwing blacks or the football team under the bus?

If anything they were trying to cover up rapes by members of the football team to protect the program, not use it as a scapegoat.
This. McCaw is playing the race card. Never trust anyone playing the race card. He's right that the PD was covering up rapes, but it was a jock problem, not a student-body-wide problem. One could probably narrow it down more that that--e.g., I don't think the baseball program had a rape problem, or the golf program, or the tennis program.
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twk said:

Madman said:

This guy may just be trying to get the Baylor stink off of himself. How is holding a football player accountable for rape throwing blacks or the football team under the bus?

If anything they were trying to cover up rapes by members of the football team to protect the program, not use it as a scapegoat.
This. McCaw is playing the race card. Never trust anyone playing the race card. He's right that the PD was covering up rapes, but it was a jock problem, not a student-body-wide problem. One could probably narrow it down more that that--e.g., I don't think the baseball program had a rape problem, or the golf program, or the tennis program.

Wait. Isn't he saying precisely that it was a much bigger problem on the campus than just football?
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Macarthur said:

twk said:

Madman said:

This guy may just be trying to get the Baylor stink off of himself. How is holding a football player accountable for rape throwing blacks or the football team under the bus?

If anything they were trying to cover up rapes by members of the football team to protect the program, not use it as a scapegoat.
This. McCaw is playing the race card. Never trust anyone playing the race card. He's right that the PD was covering up rapes, but it was a jock problem, not a student-body-wide problem. One could probably narrow it down more that that--e.g., I don't think the baseball program had a rape problem, or the golf program, or the tennis program.

Wait. Isn't he saying precisely that it was a much bigger problem on the campus than just football?
Yes. That's what he's saying. He's basically claiming that a meeting of the Baylor Board of Regents includes a cross burning. He's saying that to shift blame away from the athletic department and Briles, trying to claim that it wasn't that the football team was raping coeds, but that everyone on the Baylor campus was a coeds--according to McCaw, football players were made scapegoats because they were black.
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Madman said:

LOYAL AG said:

Madman said:

This guy may just be trying to get the Baylor stink off of himself. How is holding a football player accountable for rape throwing blacks or the football team under the bus?

If anything they were trying to cover up rapes by members of the football team to protect the program, not use it as a scapegoat.
He's saying that the rape problems are significantly bigger than the football team and that they used the fact that some portion of them were committed by black football players to try and cover up what is a much, much bigger problem. IMO they were trying to confine the damage to the realm of NCAA violations rather than opening a can of worms with the Feds over Title IX violations.
You may be correct but it would seem most probable to me if anything was going to be protected it was going to be the football program and by association the players and coaches.

The girls and everything else not so much.


No. Throwing athletics under the bus makes sense. It's picking the lesser of two evils, and they can move on relatively unscathed by firing athletics staff and hiring new ones. A university-wide problem would be far worse because that would mean serious Title IX issues and axing high level administrative staff. Plus, the entire brand would be tarnished, not just the AD.
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