Holton Hill declares for draft, joining DeShon Elliot and Connor Williams in skipping their bowl game.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/12/04/holton-hill-becomes-third-university-of-texas-player-to-declare-for-draft/amp/

Certainly not an auspicious start for Herman, but not totally surprising. There usually is some attrition with a new coach.

Next year might be a tough year for them (cue the obligatory "they're a young team"). I would say the verdict on Herman is still out, though.

If he succeeds, he'll be touted as a quirky genius, and they'll all give him a pass. if he fails, he'll be portrayed as some kind of maladjusted weirdo, and they'll all wonder how they could have ever hired him. (I don't think either description applies, for the record.)

But, way too early to write him off...

wbt5845 said:

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Holton Hill declares for draft, joining DeShon Elliot and Connor Williams in skipping their bowl game.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/12/04/holton-hill-becomes-third-university-of-texas-player-to-declare-for-draft/amp/

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Another #metoo is tired of Herman's affection

Which sip defensive players were on the pre-season all BDF team? Was it just Poonah Ford or others?

Curious how their season performance panned out?

Serious Q as I didn't pay too much attention this year although I've read their D was highly ranked in 3rd Down efficiency right?

Rascal said:

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Which sip defensive players were on the pre-season all BDF team? Was it just Poonah Ford or others?

Curious how their season performance panned out?

Serious Q as I didn't pay too much attention this year although I've read their D was highly ranked in 3rd Down efficiency right?

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From the few games I watched, their D wasn't bad. If it had been, it would have been an even bleaker year.

What's with declaring for the draft early AND skipping the bowl game? Is this a new entitlement phenomenon?

Kool said:

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What's with declaring for the draft early AND skipping the bowl game? Is this a new entitlement phenomenon?

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Probably Jaylon Smith getting injured in his bowl game and costing himself millions of dollars when he dropped to the second round.

Nice

I certainly do understand that but then why would ANY senior play in a bowl game if not for a Natty? Didn't we have a pretty good player who came out last year as a junior and still did OK in the draft? If this bowl skipping trend continues I can't see these lower tier bowls generating much interest and wonder if a lot of them will go to the wayside.

Rascal said:

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Which sip defensive players were on the pre-season all BDF team? Was it just Poonah Ford or others?

Curious how their season performance panned out?

Serious Q as I didn't pay too much attention this year although I've read their D was highly ranked in 3rd Down efficiency right?

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Poona, Malik, and Roach were preseason all conference. Poona and Malik had terrific seasons.

plus Chris Warren III who is transferring.

Wasn't a starter

Your Friend said:

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Wasn't a starter

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Who was the starting RB the first half of the season?

Porter I believe.

Your Friend said:

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Porter I believe.

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I think you're wrong. It was Warren, who eventually got moved to TE, then eventually transferred.

32 less solo tackles than Nazarene

I went back and checked. I was right. Warren got one start all season (SJST)

GiveEmHellBill said:

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Herman desperately trying to figure out if he has enough players to field a team for the bowl game......

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Is that an adam's apple or a giant, pus-infected pimple?

Your Friend said:

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32 less solo tackles than Nazarene

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How many of Malik's solo tackles were due to air raid heavy short pass plays compared to traditional running plays? Not trying to stir things up, but making a solo tackle in the open field in man or zone pass coverage is probably different than in the running game?

Your Friend said:

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I went back and checked. I was right. Warren got one start all season (SJST)

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so he was a starter.

Threadbare said:

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Certainly not an auspicious start for Herman, but not totally surprising. There usually is some attrition with a new coach.

Next year might be a tough year for them (cue the obligatory "they're a young team"). I would say the verdict on Herman is still out, though.

If he succeeds, he'll be touted as a quirky genius, and they'll all give him a pass. if he fails, he'll be portrayed as some kind of maladjusted weirdo, and they'll all wonder how they could have ever hired him. (I don't think either description applies, for the record.)

But, way too early to write him off...

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I think next year is going to be a tough year. Their defense was pretty decent and they have about 4 or 5 guys that will get drafted. That defense is going to lose quite a bit.

Macarthur said:

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Threadbare said:

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Certainly not an auspicious start for Herman, but not totally surprising. There usually is some attrition with a new coach.

Next year might be a tough year for them (cue the obligatory "they're a young team"). I would say the verdict on Herman is still out, though.

If he succeeds, he'll be touted as a quirky genius, and they'll all give him a pass. if he fails, he'll be portrayed as some kind of maladjusted weirdo, and they'll all wonder how they could have ever hired him. (I don't think either description applies, for the record.)

But, way too early to write him off...

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I think next year is going to be a tough year. Their defense was pretty decent and they have about 4 or 5 guys that will get drafted. That defense is going to lose quite a bit.

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DL: Losing Poona in the middle will hurt. Nelson flashed some this season so there's some hope next year.

LB: Biggest drop off. Malik was the QB of the defense and losing him will hurt. The emergence of Gary Johnson was a nice surprise though.

DB: losing Hill and Elliott will def hurt, but there's experienced depth in the secondary and an historic db class will be signing in Feb.