I don't usually support Ketch. But when I do he's trying to take down baylol. I don't care the reason.
quote:quote:Zero, until the accused has been indicted.quote:What duty does Art owe to a potential victim whom he is aware has stated that a rape occurred?quote:That may be evidence of corruption in the law enforcement agencies, which of course can't be tolerated. But punishing Art Briles for it is misguided.
By your own stat, either 4 or 5 of the accusations against Baylor football players have merit. Both the University and Waco PD either actively or passively chose not to pursue the "credible" accusations; thats enough to piss me off, at least.
Maybe its because I have daughters.
quote:Interesting. Ill carry on then.quote:Zero, until the accused has been indicted.quote:What duty does Art owe to a potential victim whom he is aware has stated that a rape occurred?quote:That may be evidence of corruption in the law enforcement agencies, which of course can't be tolerated. But punishing Art Briles for it is misguided.
By your own stat, either 4 or 5 of the accusations against Baylor football players have merit. Both the University and Waco PD either actively or passively chose not to pursue the "credible" accusations; thats enough to piss me off, at least.
Maybe its because I have daughters.
quote:quote:I don't understand this whole Gaylor scandal.
He may be a fat slob but I love how he's calling them out.
Apparently you're supposed to kick a guy off the team and ruin his career as soon as someone makes an allegation against him, due process be damned?
Seems like a dangerous road to go down. Roughly half of all rape allegations are false, and I'm sure the percentage goes up quite a bit when the accused has money (or potential earnings).
quote:quote:Zero, until the accused has been indicted. Art Briles is not a detective.quote:What duty does Art owe to a potential victim whom he is aware has stated that a rape occurred?quote:That may be evidence of corruption in the law enforcement agencies, which of course can't be tolerated. But punishing Art Briles for it is misguided.
By your own stat, either 4 or 5 of the accusations against Baylor football players have merit. Both the University and Waco PD either actively or passively chose not to pursue the "credible" accusations; thats enough to piss me off, at least.
Maybe its because I have daughters.
quote:He asked what Art owes, not what Title IX says he owes, and certainly not what the terrible "Dear Colleague" letter misinterprets Title IX to mean he owes. As such, it is a matter of opinion, and I stated mine, based on my understanding of human rights as protected by the Constitution.quote:Wholly false, there's a whole series of title 9 requirements when anyone associated with the school is made aware of a sexual assault.quote:Zero, until the accused has been indicted.
What duty does Art owe to a potential victim whom he is aware has stated that a rape occurred?
quote:Which is why I said up front that I didn't understand the Gaylor scandal.quote:quote:I don't understand this whole Gaylor scandal.
He may be a fat slob but I love how he's calling them out.
Apparently you're supposed to kick a guy off the team and ruin his career as soon as someone makes an allegation against him, due process be damned?
Seems like a dangerous road to go down. Roughly half of all rape allegations are false, and I'm sure the percentage goes up quite a bit when the accused has money (or potential earnings).
You surely have no idea what you are talking about.
Baylor soccer player alleges that baylor football player raped her.
Baylor does nothing.
She takes it to court.
Baylor still does nothing.
A jury feels enough evidence exists to indict the football player with a felony sexual assault charge.
Baylor does something: they give him a degree, admit him to grad school, refuse to move him from the girl's classes, reduce her scholarship, and eventually force her to transfer to another university.
Trial proceeds, and he is found guilty of felony sexual assault.
That's just one situation out of an alarming number of rape accusations against baylor football players. Now there is evidence that baylor worked in conjunction with waco pd to hide criminal allegations and criminal proceedings.
I don't know how you can look at baylor and not be disgusted at the depravity that has gone on under their watch.
quote:quote:He asked what Art owes, not what Title IX says he owes, and certainly not what the terrible "Dear Colleague" letter misinterprets Title IX to mean he owes. As such, it is a matter of opinion, and I stated mine, based on my understanding of human rights as protected by the Constitution.quote:Wholly false, there's a whole series of title 9 requirements when anyone associated with the school is made aware of a sexual assault.quote:Zero, until the accused has been indicted.
What duty does Art owe to a potential victim whom he is aware has stated that a rape occurred?
quote:Wrong. He wasn't asking me to describe the law. He was asking me what I thought he owed. The law says I owe illegal immigrants a college education, but I am entitled to a contrary opinion.quote:By law, art was required to comply with the law. That's the point, and what is "owed" to the alleged victim.quote:He asked what Art owes, not what Title IX says he owes, and certainly not what the terrible "Dear Colleague" letter misinterprets Title IX to mean he owes. As such, it is a matter of opinion, and I stated mine, based on my understanding of human rights as protected by the Constitution.quote:Wholly false, there's a whole series of title 9 requirements when anyone associated with the school is made aware of a sexual assault.quote:Zero, until the accused has been indicted.
What duty does Art owe to a potential victim whom he is aware has stated that a rape occurred?
quote:No, but keep the strawmen coming. They're amusing, and this is OR after all.
If your argument is that Art Briles human rights were somehow violated because he had the terrible burden of lawfully being forced to report a potential crime as a representative of the school, your idea of human rights is just slightly different than mine, and likely most folks here.
quote:Yes.
So after all the responses, do you at least somewhat see what Art is in hot water for?
quote:quote:Wrong. He wasn't asking me to describe the law. He was asking me what I thought he owed. The law says I owe illegal immigrants a college education, but I am entitled to a contrary opinion.quote:By law, art was required to comply with the law. That's the point, and what is "owed" to the alleged victim.quote:He asked what Art owes, not what Title IX says he owes, and certainly not what the terrible "Dear Colleague" letter misinterprets Title IX to mean he owes. As such, it is a matter of opinion, and I stated mine, based on my understanding of human rights as protected by the Constitution.quote:Wholly false, there's a whole series of title 9 requirements when anyone associated with the school is made aware of a sexual assault.quote:Zero, until the accused has been indicted.
What duty does Art owe to a potential victim whom he is aware has stated that a rape occurred?quote:No, but keep the strawmen coming. They're amusing, and this is OR after all.
If your argument is that Art Briles human rights were somehow violated because he had the terrible burden of lawfully being forced to report a potential crime as a representative of the school, your idea of human rights is just slightly different than mine, and likely most folks here.
quote:Therefore..............Briles should be charged with rape and put in jail!!!!!!!!!!!!
I would argue that it goes beyond Title IX. Art's negligence (common law) resulted in more victims.
quote:Thats exactly how it works.quote:Therefore..............Briles should be charged with rape and put in jail!!!!!!!!!!!!
I would argue that it goes beyond Title IX. Art's negligence (common law) resulted in more victims.
quote:He must have agreed to $5M, if it went that fast. He should have held out for more.
KCEN news (Waco) reporting that Ken Starr is out.
http://www.kcentv.com/story/32051880/baylor-president-ken-starr-fired
quote:quote:Obviously hasn't been updated in the past 3 years. He's not-so-slim now.
Ketch has a MySpace (the pictures are clearly outdated, because hes fat again).
https://myspace.com/geoffketchum/mixes/classic-my-photos-416352/photo/148079191
Enjoy the laugh.
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KCEN news (Waco) reporting that Ken Starr is out.
http://www.kcentv.com/story/32051880/baylor-president-ken-starr-fired
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Edit: Never mind. You get the last word.
quote:If he stood on Briles it would be the equivalent of the death penalty.
The real question is, where would Fatboy stand on Briles if Texas had hired him 2 years ago and then all these past transgressions had come to light once he was in Austin. My guess is he would have his face buried in a Chinese buffet.