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Can we talk about hyperinflation?

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So either Jack Dorsey is seriously worried or he had a bad molly trip, but when the CEO of Paypal says we are seeing hyperinflation, I take it seriously.






I've heard plenty of talk about inflation this year, but no one has mentioned hyperinflation. Increases of 50% or more per month sure seems like something radically worse than what I was expecting.

What strategies do you have for high inflation/hyperinflation?

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Jacks PoV is a Bitcoiners'.

And going forward it's called HyperBitcoinization
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This is the lord of the woke preaching gloom and doom to his constituents to keep them subjugated with fear.

No different than Fauci and the Covidians.
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Max Stonetrail said:

This is the lord of the woke preaching gloom and doom to his constituents to keep them subjugated with fear.

No different than Fauci and the Covidians.


Welp, there it is.

Inflation isn't real
Inflation is temporary
Inflation is actually good for you
Inflation is spread by the dark lord of wokeness

What will they think of next?

But just to defend jack



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Or he could own a ton of bitcoin and hope his followers will agree with him that Bitcoin is the best insurance against inflation.
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Regardless of what people think about long term and Bitcoin….

I think we can all agree one of the best hedges against any significant inflation is assets like Dirt, Gold,Stocks, Silver. Even things like BTC given it's potential as a hard asset in which is a fixed quantity (just like no one is making more dirt).
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When everyone starts talking about something it tends to be baked in at that point. I'm just waiting for rates to go up.
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Red Pear Luke said:

Regardless of what people think about long term and Bitcoin….

I think we can all agree one of the best hedges against any significant inflation is assets like Dirt, Gold,Stocks, Silver. Even things like BTC given it's potential as a hard asset in which is a fixed quantity (just like no one is making more dirt).
I know we all say this repeatedly but my PSLV (Silver fund) hasn't done a damn thing throughout this. It's actually down from when I bought it. Maybe it doesn't track the same as actual silver in your possession but it was recommended as the one to get as a fund.
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Don't get me wrong, inflation is here. I buy gas and beef. But, hyperinflation is not. Hyperinflation is where you spend your cash the minute you get it, with prices on goods going up 50% plus a month. Jack is just using that term to gin up fear, pure and simple.

We are getting the catch up about of about 12 years of very low inflation all at once, and it stings. However, I can remember gas prices being this high ($4-5 / gallon) several times. I remember oil at $140/bbl in 2008 vs $80 now. I remember beef costing this much way back in 2014. We aren't in uncharted territory here. Over-regulation (environmental and covid-related) is causing much of the recent supply/demand price increase as much as the printing of money.

Jason Lowery is a devoted follower of lord jack and a bitcoin junkie. Look at his twitter profile. Of course he is going to defend or back up whatever jack says in the name of the new woke heroin, bitcoin. Balaji Srinivasan is the same. And he is still posting about Trump 10 months after he left office?
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A major CEO tweeting that could scare the market
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I don't think Bitcoin would help in a hyperinflation environment. Would it have helped in Venezuela?
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He's writing his MIT thesis on bitcoin as a technology supporting Mutually Assured Preservation... he's been put through the bitcoin Twitter ringer for a few months and only recently been gaining some respect for his thesis as presented thus far

Been actually a pretty interesting follow as he's been working on it.
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It has been.
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Max Stonetrail said:

Don't get me wrong, inflation is here. I buy gas and beef. But, hyperinflation is not. Hyperinflation is where you spend your cash the minute you get it, with prices on goods going up 50% plus a month. Jack is just using that term to gin up fear, pure and simple.

We are getting the catch up about of about 12 years of very low inflation all at once, and it stings. However, I can remember gas prices being this high ($4-5 / gallon) several times. I remember oil at $140/bbl in 2008 vs $80 now. I remember beef costing this much way back in 2014. We aren't in uncharted territory here. Over-regulation (environmental and covid-related) is causing much of the recent supply/demand price increase as much as the printing of money.

Jason Lowery is a devoted follower of lord jack and a bitcoin junkie. Look at his twitter profile. Of course he is going to defend or back up whatever jack says in the name of the new woke heroin, bitcoin. Balaji Srinivasan is the same. And he is still posting about Trump 10 months after he left office?
I remember those as well however those were largely focused on certain commodities. Right now, we are seeing inflation across the board with almost everything. We are somewhere between those historical examples and hyperinflation.

Maybe systemic inflation is more accurate a term right now.
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Youbet, you are correct, we haven't seen them all at these levels at the same time

I just think we are still quite a ways from anything resembling the actual definition of hyperinflation like Weimar or more recently some South American countries. Prices are not going up double digit percentages every day or even every month. I think Dorsey was trying for a headline and promoting fear, and it's incredibly irresponsible for CNBC and the like to run it as their top story like they did on Saturday.

But yes our current inflation is absolutely bad, and is hurting the lower and middle working class people. We can call it systematic or even self inflicted by completely avoidable policy decisions. We could fix energy with the stroke of a pen, and to a large degree so goes energy, so goes the economy.

I think Bitcoin has very little to do with any of it, and I didn't even take the OP to be Bitcoin related.
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Max Stonetrail said:

This is the lord of the woke preaching gloom and doom to his constituents to keep them subjugated with fear.

No different than Fauci and the Covidians.

Exactly.

And he's also a technocrat that has a vested interest in seeing Bitcoin pumped to the moon. Beware of the shills and their doomsday prophecies and alternative "saviors".

Hyperinflation has a very precise meaning. We are nowhere close. And anyone that thinks Bitcoin is the best proxy for inflation (or even a true inflation hedge) is an absolute clown. I don't care if they are part of the Space Farce studying the religion of Bitcoin at MIT.
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3 edits and that's what you came up with? not sure why you're so mad at bitcoin but it's been entertaining this weekend. keep it up.
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He even went onto the job board to poopoo on a guys post about breaking into the bitcoin industry.

#triggered
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Max Stonetrail said:

This is the lord of the woke preaching gloom and doom to his constituents to keep them subjugated with fear.

No different than Fauci and the Covidians.
So what does that say about all of conservatives that have been warning about monetary policy since 2008?
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Don't get me wrong, inflation is here. I buy gas and beef. But, hyperinflation is not. Hyperinflation is where you spend your cash the minute you get it, with prices on goods going up 50% plus a month. Jack is just using that term to gin up fear, pure and simple.
I guess my question would be is hyperinflation (or I think extremely high inflation) the inevitable consequence of our past policy decision?
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I think the triffin paradox is about where we are at right now.

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Lets run an exercise
Define:
Hyperinflation

Define:
Soon
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That might explain why Janet Yellen wants to tax our unrealized gains
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It explained a lot of things that I had been unable to resolve. Was very happy a friend showed me the term a year or 3 back.

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Lets run an exercise
Define:
Hyperinflation

Define:
Soon
Hyperinflation - monthly inflation exceeds 50%.

Soon - 5 years.

My vote is no.

I am thinking about 20% to 50% inflation total over the next 5 years. That's a huge window, I know. The 20% is pretty much unavoidable at this point. 50% is what will happen if we continue current policies, which I think is pretty low probability. More than 50% means we become even more stupid on economic policy. Between 20% and 50% means that we have SOME sanity inserted back into the system.

Hyperinflation is not likely to happen.
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I guess my question would be is hyperinflation (or I think extremely high inflation) the inevitable consequence of our past policy decision?

My question is what policy? Monetary? Energy? Tax? This whole thread is a mixed bag of issues. The real problem is government policy as a whole.

For Monetary, from 2008-2016 (roughly), the Fed Funds rate was at near zero. Economic growth was low and so was inflation. From 2016-2019, the Fed regularly raised the rate about 25 basis points about every quarter up to about 2.5%. Economic growth was healthy, and we saw moderate inflation. From 2019 until the pandemic collapse of everything, the Fed began lowering the rate 25 basis points to curtail inflation and also stimulate the economy a little more going into the election. Now, we are back at basically zero. Keeping rates at zero allows the continued out of control spending without raising the U.S. interest payments too much. It kicks the can down the road. However, in it's current state, the monetary policy isn't contributing to inflation at the moment.

For Energy, what I consider to be terrible policy of trying to drastically cut fossil fuel consumption for energy sources that rely on the weather without a reliable backup is a fool's errand. The near term effect of the executive orders put into effect in January has caused transportation costs to increase a lot very quickly. The affects the price of transportation for all goods and thus their price. Cue inflation rising.

For Tax, the government (both sides) has shown and unquenching thirst to spend spend spend, and the current administration is trying to tax tax tax. This latest Yellen scheme to tax billionaires on unrealized gains is a rounding error related to spending and in my opinion not serious, but intended to divide as politicians have been pitting the rich against the poor for centuries. We aren't taxing our way out of a $37 Trillion debt or whatever it is.

As was said above, hyperinflation per Investopedia is 50% per month or more. Our current CPI YoY growth as of October was 5.4%, and 4% ex -Food & Energy. That is NEAR 30 year records. So, this isn't even the worst we have had in the last 30 years. To be jumping to hyperinflation is "hyper-perbole".

Hyperinflation is Venezuela in 2018 was 800%. We are at 5%sh. Venezuela is also a third world country with one resource to export, oil. That took a dive back in 2009 after the runup, and the world quite consuming as much petroleum, and their poorly run government/economic system of socialism collapsed.

We have a diverse economy and a stable government, regardless of which side is in charge. So, while you can make a case on paper or a spreadsheet for hyperinflation, there would have to be some drastic, major, world changing events in a very short period of time for that kind of thing to happen to the U.S.
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YouBet said:

Red Pear Luke said:

Regardless of what people think about long term and Bitcoin….

I think we can all agree one of the best hedges against any significant inflation is assets like Dirt, Gold,Stocks, Silver. Even things like BTC given it's potential as a hard asset in which is a fixed quantity (just like no one is making more dirt).
I know we all say this repeatedly but my PSLV (Silver fund) hasn't done a damn thing throughout this. It's actually down from when I bought it. Maybe it doesn't track the same as actual silver in your possession but it was recommended as the one to get as a fund.
PMs are being suppressed via the unbacked futures markets. This is a snapshot of what is happening on a daily basis with gold, but it applies to silver as well.

Who is John Galt?

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Too many aren't looking st venezuela pre-hyperinflation. It didn't just happen overnight.
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Ok. Perhaps you would care to enlighten us?

And BTW, bitcoin hasn't help Venezuela that I can tell. They just lopped 6 digits (1,000,000:1) off their currency two weeks ago.
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Max Stonetrail said:

Ok. Perhaps you would care to enlighten us?

And BTW, bitcoin hasn't help Venezuela that I can tell. They just lopped 6 digits (1,000,000:1) off their currency two weeks ago.


Helping Venezuelans, and helping venezuela are two different things. Venezuela has the highest P2P bitcoin activity and Zimbabwe was next, at least in September.

Pre-hyperinflation Venezuela went through some major socioeconomic strife, administrative errors of sorts, way back through 1983 or so.

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Are we going through these same "administrative errors"?
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At least since 1971, I'd argue yes.
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Out of nowhere last night, my wife asked me about hyperinflation. We talk finance, but never get on topics like this. She kept seeing it pop up last night on tiktok, so she had to ask. I showed her this picture as a worst case scenario but went over the traditional definition.



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Next, we will listen to Mark Cuban on how to properly handle our politics with China.
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