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GE - Good buying opportunity or about to Implode?

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I have always though highly of GE products and the company and have held stock for a while with basically 0% return. I have been in and out a couple times in the last 10 years.

Has anyone recently studied this stock and what are yalls thoughts on it now at ~$12.90?
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I haven't studied, but I imagine it would be interesting to look into.

Facts that I think about GE:

1. GE grew their oil and gas business at the wrong time
2. Still suffering from losing their GE Capital, which was more than 50% of the company IIRC prior to 2008
3. Made some missteps when trying to re-define itself
4. People I know who work there say culture isn't what it was during 2007 time period, moral is poor



At some point the bleeding has to stop and the company will stabilize. I wonder if they don't sell off the parts prior to that.
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They have an enormous $31B pension problem, and they are taking out massive loans to make up their payment shortfalls for the next few years. I see them eventually breaking up and/or going bankrupt.

http://money.cnn.com/2018/01/18/investing/ge-pension-immelt-breakup/index.html
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I'd stay away for a while. GE Digital was supposed to be their savior, but several pivots and acquisitions later they're no closer to dominating the Industrial Internet and the future of Maintenance/Reliability than anyone else in the market. They have use cases, but their many of their primary customers are other GE brands (healthcare, power, etc.)

Several major customers from a product they acquired a few years back are furious with their management and considering options. I'm guessing they will get the digital arm figured out, but with the above Risk hanging over their head I'd bet on spin offs as well.
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They're shopping Baker Hughes too. There's a special clause in that purchase that will allow an independent panel to let them sell prior to the three year mark if it's deemed necessary to maintain GE or some crap like that.
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They seemed to well connected with the last administration. Not a coincidence that they're tanking now that Obama and company are out of the picture.
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GE Capital is still a boat anchor and management can't even say what liabilities are still outstanding. Stay clear. Buy an index fund.
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OneNightW said:

They seemed to well connected with the last administration. Not a coincidence that they're tanking now that Obama and company are out of the picture.
Good. Sleep with dogs get fleas. Or sleep with socialists in this case. I wonder how all that next generation energy crap looks to the GE board now. I got out at 17 and am glad I did.
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I'd stay out for a bit or take put options.
aggieland09
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Thanks for the input.
Ignatius_of_Silesia
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I thought I bought the bottom at 19. One my my many great trades of 2018.
oldarmy1
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It's always interesting that just as everyone throws in the towel and is most negative on a stock it finds a support bottom.
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oldarmy1 said:

It's always interesting that just as everyone throws in the towel and is most negative on a stock it finds a support bottom.
Do you honestly think it has found a support? There is just too much lingering for me to have any faith in them. Plus, the mismanagement.
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IrishTxAggie said:

oldarmy1 said:

It's always interesting that just as everyone throws in the towel and is most negative on a stock it finds a support bottom.
Do you honestly think it has found a support? There is just too much lingering for me to have any faith in them. Plus, the mismanagement.
They have a ways to go but if you sold off all of the units the intrinsic valuation comes in closer to $19/share.

Agree, and said as much, that they have a lot to get in order so all I see was huge volume yesterday equal to the last resistance top and then a reversal today on heavy volume.
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GE has been on my tracking list for the last year. Every time I think it hits a bottom it drops again. I haven't bought any yet.

I read somewhere speculation this morning BRK maybe considering buying GE. I never took Buffett for a bottom feeder.
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GE about the only green left out there but the bulls are struggling to get the surprise breakout to stick.
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BRK bought GE during the last downturn.

From a Motley Fool article:
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Like Goldman Sachs, General Electric found itself vulnerable when the market melted down six years ago. In the run-up to the financial crisis, General Electric had seen huge growth in its finance division. That left General Electric dangerously exposed to the credit crunch that hit the financial markets in late 2008.

As part of a broader capital-raising strategy that included a $12 billion offering of common stock to investors, General Electric turned to Berkshire Hathaway in October 2008, giving Buffett the chance to invest $3 billion in General Electric in return for preferred stock and warrants on GE. As with Goldman, General Electric paid Berkshire a 10% dividend on the preferred shares, and Berkshire got the right to buy $3 billion in GE stock for $22.25 per share at any time over the ensuing five years.

The deal gave investors confidence in General Electric's plan to reduce its financial exposure, a strategy that has worked out well in the years since the crisis. GE's recovery took longer than Goldman's to pan out, but in the end, General Electric repaid the $3 billion plus a 10% premium for the preferred shares in 2011, and Berkshire ended up taking $260 million in General Electric shares last year in lieu of exercising its warrants.
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IrishTxAggie
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Didn't Buffett say he was caught off guard by some debt that wasn't reported and it pissed him off recently?
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Not sure about that. Read he had dumped all of his shares last year, guess he was betting against the digital revolution.
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Matsui
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So what do we think now? Is this a good buying opportunity?
Furlock Bones
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pretty crazy to see GE removed from the DJIA
Engine10
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The Flannery plan is in motion now.

GE healthcare headed for spinoff and a 2-3 yr exit plan for BH/GE O&G.

Main focus now is Aviation, Power, and Renewables. What's left unsaid is the GE digital backbone. Lots of pissed off customers in that arena right now trying to figure out what the hell is going on.
Matsui
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Ge is deeply involved with the future of aviation. Should we jump in?
Biz Ag
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GE hasn't been the same company since Jack Welch left all the way back in 2001. The stock hasn't traded above $40/share in over ten years. And in this market, that's really saying something.
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Well Jack handpicked one of the worst CEO's in modern history, so there's that.

You could argue he was just in the right place at the right time.
TriAg2010
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Flannery is out.
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94chem
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GE hasn't been the same company since Jack Welch left all the way back in 2001.
My gosh. Jack Welch turned GE into a bank. He is responsible for their decline.
94chem
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You could argue he was just in the right place at the right time.
You mean Welch, right? Yeah, unregulated banking, financial speculation, get out before 2008...

GE runs ads trying to convince people that they still do R&D. They're about as believable as Wells Fargo commercials.
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94chem said:

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GE hasn't been the same company since Jack Welch left all the way back in 2001.
My gosh. Jack Welch turned GE into a bank. He is responsible for their decline.

How long can you really attribute a decline to a former CEO? Welch left GE seven years before the GFC. Jeff Immelt and the Board don't carry the full weight of the business mix nearly a decade later?
94chem
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Welch left GE seven years before the GFC. Jeff Immelt and the Board don't carry the full weight of the business mix nearly a decade later?
There's more to a company than "business mix." Once you gut innovation, you can't flip the switch and get back in it. That is a multi-decade decision.
IrishTxAggie
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GE's $500,000,000,000 market wipeout is like erasing Facebook

Ouch...
agdaddy04
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The rfq's we get from GE now are crazy. It's like they have nobody there that can design anything anymore.
TriAg2010
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General Electric Co.'s GE -10.08% shares fell Tuesday after the conglomerate slashed its dividend to a token amount and said federal regulators had opened a criminal probe of its accounting practices, as GE seeks to restructure under new Chief Executive Larry Culp.
That's... not ideal.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/general-electric-slashes-quarterly-dividend-to-1-cent-1540896132?mod=hp_lead_pos1
Duncan Idaho
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I got in at 20, rode it up to the $30's and I am going to ride this to zero.
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