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Paying Tax on Side Income?

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Vernada
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Let's say I have a regular full time W2 job.

Let's say I do some side work on a contract basis for folks other than my fulltime employer.

At what point do I have to worry with paying any additional income tax besides what I am already paying via my regular job?
Harkrider 93
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The day you earn $1.

You have to worry about two types of taxes. Income tax and self employment tax. I would start setting some aside so you won't have a huge hit next year.

It depends on how much you are making total, but I would set aside at least 50% of what you make. You can always take the money not used and invest it after seeing the hit.
Vernada
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Since I have taxes being withheld, do I need to worry about making additional quarterly payments? That's my main concern.
jeffdjohnson
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Whoever you are contracting with will likely file a 1099 on your behalf. I don't think they are required to do so if you earn less than $600 (could be wrong about that number), but I wouldn't assume anything. Better to withhold and self report the income. Better safe than sorry.
Vernada
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FYI - I did know I would need to pay tax on the extra income. It's the how I'm not real sure about.
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It will depend on the amount whether you have to pay/report quarterly.
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You will only need to pay quarterly if you grossly under pay your taxes ( > 10%).

Keep in mind the tax withheld for your side gig ought to be withheld at your marginal tax rate on your regular job. Otherwise you'll have way too little withheld.

And be aware you could overpay FICA tax if you have two income streams. If you overpay, you'll get to take a credit on your taxes for the overage.
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jeffdjohnson said:

Whoever you are contracting with will likely file a 1099 on your behalf. I don't think they are required to do so if you earn less than $600 (could be wrong about that number), but I wouldn't assume anything. Better to withhold and self report the income. Better safe than sorry.
This is true if they are paying you in cash or check. If you take visa/mastercard, there is already a reported log.

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jeffdjohnson said:

Whoever you are contracting with will likely file a 1099 on your behalf. I don't think they are required to do so if you earn less than $600 (could be wrong about that number), but I wouldn't assume anything. Better to withhold and self report the income. Better safe than sorry.


Let's say I get a vehicle allowance with no taxes withheld($600/month). Then when I ask for a 1099, I'm told I'm not going to be getting one. Should I be concerned? Or is that on them? Have record of convo in email.
Vernada
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wbt5845 said:

You will only need to pay quarterly if you grossly under pay your taxes ( > 10%).

Keep in mind the tax withheld for your side gig ought to be withheld at your marginal tax rate on your regular job. Otherwise you'll have way too little withheld.

And be aware you could overpay FICA tax if you have two income streams. If you overpay, you'll get to take a credit on your taxes for the overage.
There would be no withholding on the side gig. All the WH is from my 8-5. I do have a log built to track approx tax liability.

Also, I'm not sure if a 1099 would get filed since they haven't asked for any tax id yet. I would still report - just saying.

I'm thinking of just tweaking my W4 at my 8-5 to have a little more WH and hope that covers it - or at least close.
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Vernada said:

wbt5845 said:

You will only need to pay quarterly if you grossly under pay your taxes ( > 10%).

Keep in mind the tax withheld for your side gig ought to be withheld at your marginal tax rate on your regular job. Otherwise you'll have way too little withheld.

And be aware you could overpay FICA tax if you have two income streams. If you overpay, you'll get to take a credit on your taxes for the overage.
There would be no withholding on the side gig. All the WH is from my 8-5. I do have a log built to track approx tax liability.

Also, I'm not sure if a 1099 would get filed since they haven't asked for any tax id yet. I would still report - just saying.

I'm thinking of just tweaking my W4 at my 8-5 to have a little more WH and hope that covers it - or at least close.
That was going to be my next suggestion after reading the first line of your reply.

Feds don't care where the money comes from - just that you're within 10% at year end. An example of someone who had to file quarterly is someone who never has anything withheld from any of his income. My brother is s free lance musician and hence has to file quarterly.

BTW - you don't have to "hope" it works out. If you can project the side gig income and you know your marginal tax rate, you can have your day job withhold the correct amount.
Vernada
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Quote:

If you can project the side gig income

That's the problem. It will be an opened-ended-as-needed-when-I-can type thing. My best guess is somewhere in the 10k-50k range. But that's a pretty broad range.
wbt5845
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Yeah, that's a wide window. You can overpay early in the year and always scale back. I'd start assuming you'll make $50,000 and reassess in August.
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Consult your tax advisor as I'm not a tax specialist and not your CPA, but I believe withholdings from a W2 are still considered to be made evenly throughout the year. So if you have both a W2 job and side work that has 1099 with no withholding, you can make up missed estimated payment later in the year by doing a bump on your W4 witholdings and as long as you fall within the IRS safe-harbors to avoid underpayment penalties you should be OK.
BigPuma
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CPA tax guy here, but not your CPA. AgCPA95 is correct. W2 withholding is treated as being paid evenly throughout the year no matter when paid. I would get to your safe harbor numbers and roll with it.
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A Form 1099-MISC is required to be filed when payment for services in excess of $600 is paid. If payments are made for a product or to a corporation, a Form 1099-MISC is not required.

Income from part-time consulting would be self-employment income and a customer should file a Form 1099-MISC if payments for consulting exceed $600 for that customer.

Income from self-employment would subject to income tax (income in excess of expenses reported on Schedule C) and Self-employment Tax. If the OP generates as much income as he or she anticipates, withholding would probably not cover the increase in tax. Therefore, quarterly payments can be made using Form 1040-ES (can be downloaded from irs.gov).

There is a penalty under Code Section 6654 for failure to pay estimated tax. This can occur even if you are a W-2 employee and under withhold tax too much. If you are self-employed and do not make estimated tax payments, this penalty can likely come into play. Generally, the amount of required annual installment is the lesser of (1) 90% of the current year's tax or (2) 100% of the prior year's tax. The estimated tax penalty is computed by quarter. Therefore, if you do not make the required annual installment, the IRS will look at each quarter to see if a quarter was underpaid, and if so, how much penalty should be asserted.

Hope this helps.
Vernada
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Does any of that change if the payment is made to a single member LLC?
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Beyond getting your quarterly plan in order the most important aspect of your side business is determining all qualified deductions. Home office, vehicle, materials,equipment, associated meals, gifts, etc.

Did you have start up expenses? Many times your first year in business will end up showing a schedule c loss in year 1 due to all of the above and "poof" goes all the withholding discussion/concerns.
Revenuer
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A single member LLC can "check the box" to be considered a corporation or a disregarded entity. Consequently, it depends on whether the the LLC decided to be treated as a corporation or a disregarded entity. Almost all LLCs decide to be treated as partnerships which makes a single member partnership a disregarded entity for tax purposes (have to have a least two partners to be a partnership).

Assuming the LLC mentioned is a disregarded entity and the partner is not a corporation, then yes, a Form 1099 should be issued.

Hope this helps.
Vernada
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Thanks.

Also, as a 'disregarded entity - sole proprietorship' Texas franchise tax is n/a correct?
Revenuer
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I mainly deal with Federal Taxes, but with what I know of Texas state taxes I don't believe you would be subject to the state Franchise Tax.
The Anchor
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I didn't read the whole thread so it may have been covered already. But, I do the same thing as the OP and I have for the last 8 years. I have additional contract work outside of my normal job. I just pay the additional taxes when I file my taxes.
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Do you usually have a refund from your regular job?
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Vernada said:

Thanks.

Also, as a 'disregarded entity - sole proprietorship' Texas franchise tax is n/a correct?
No, a single member LLC will have to file a Texas franchise tax report but the threshold for actually owing the tax is $1,110,000 in total revenue so you would file but likely not owe tax.
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Thanks everyone for the input. I am in a similar situation as OP. I have a full-time W2 job and also run a side online business as a sole proprietorship. This will be the first year I will be sending quarterly payments to the IRS. I know there is a worksheet on form 1040-ES that can be used to estimate your quarterly tax but since I don't know "exactly" how much income I will make this year can I just take 100% of my 2016 tax liability, split it into 4 equal payments and send the payments to the IRS every quarter?

I see there are a few CPA tax people in here. I might be interested in talking to someone about my 2016 return and plans for 2017 as I have been doing all of this on my own over the past few years. If you're in the DFW area let me know.

Thanks!
Vernada
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Not sure if this is valid, but my FiL is a retired CPA. He thinks that any deductions via W4 are treated as being made equally throughout the year so towards the end of the year you could just elect for some extra deduction amounts and be covered.

I'm thinking I'll do quarterly payments and see how it goes for this year.
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grd89 said:

Thanks everyone for the input. I am in a similar situation as OP. I have a full-time W2 job and also run a side online business as a sole proprietorship. This will be the first year I will be sending quarterly payments to the IRS. I know there is a worksheet on form 1040-ES that can be used to estimate your quarterly tax but since I don't know "exactly" how much income I will make this year can I just take 100% of my 2016 tax liability, split it into 4 equal payments and send the payments to the IRS every quarter?

I see there are a few CPA tax people in here. I might be interested in talking to someone about my 2016 return and plans for 2017 as I have been doing all of this on my own over the past few years. If you're in the DFW area let me know.

Thanks!
That 100% of prior year isn't a safe for all income levels.
Vernada
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BigPuma said:

CPA tax guy here, but not your CPA. AgCPA95 is correct. W2 withholding is treated as being paid evenly throughout the year no matter when paid. I would get to your safe harbor numbers and roll with it.


Rereading this thread I see that these guys are saying the same thing as my retired CPA.
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No. A single member LLC (disregarded entity) is subject to franchise tax. You will have to file a TFR, probably a no tax due repprt if gross receipts are less than $1,110,000 (this figure may have changed since the last time I checked).

A sole proprietorship is not subject to franchise tax. Although a single member LLC is treated as a sole proprietorship for federal tax purposes it is not for Texas franchise tax purposes.
BigPuma
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The 1.11 TXFR threshold is still goof for 2017. It didn't change from 2016.
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