HeightsAg said:

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Because governments have decided that if wearing masks can reduce transmission by even a small percentage, given the exponential way that pandemics spread, it's worth it. In other words, the benefit from masks outweigh the inconveniences of masks. Obviously you disagree but that is the logic.

Additionally, masks were never meant to be the silver bullet by itself. It works in conjunction with social distancing and all that other stuff. Even hazmat suits wouldn't be very effective at preventing spread if you were just going to take it off while eating and drinking with your buddies at a bar or backyard.

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I don't disagree with the points you make, but here is the concern. You stated that governments believed that wearing a mask will reduce transmission, well the Governor of Texas removed those restrictions and yet at airports across the state they are still being mandated. That's where a lot of this frustration stems from, restrictions are lifted and yet people still have to live with them daily. Is wearing a mask a huge issue to most people, no, but let's not pretend its natural or normal.

So when do these restrictions really end? Who ultimately has the power to end them? If it's not the Governor, then who, the CDC or Biden? I personally will not fly while these restrictions are in place and I'm sure there are many people who have also chosen to suspend their air travel as well. I hope we can get back to normal soon, although I've said that for over a year now. The lack of real leadership during this pandemic from all levels of government has been a huge disappointment.

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Masks are required for airports, bus and rail stations, as well as while on passenger aircraft, public transportation, passenger railroads, and over-the-road buses operating on scheduled fixed-routes presidential executive order. Abbott's order has no effect on that.

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Just another example of levels of government not working together and sending mixed messages.

Just another bit of tyranny

The coronavirus pandemic is dying down much faster than the pandemic of tiresome discussions over mask efficacy.

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schmendeler said:

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i seriously do not get why people are so hung up on wearing a mask. is it fun? no. but it's one of the most ridiculously petulant things i think i've seen my entire life how some people whine like a baby if they have to wear a mask around other people in public during a pandemic.

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Not the politics board so I don't want to derail...but then again going to the politics board to discuss will absolutely lead to a derail so it's a catch 22.

I'll say it like this...

I seriously do not get why people are so hung up on others not wearing a mask. Is there any overwhelming science or studies that show it's safer or that the mask wearer is at further risk if a non-masker is in an airport with them? no. but it's one of the most ridiculously petulant things I think i've seen my entire life how some people whine like a baby if someone isn't wearing a mask around other people in public during a pandemic.

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the evidence is clear and overwhelming that wearing masks reduces transmission.

whining like a baby is solely owned by those who want to ignore that fact.

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Extremely negligible per the CDC itself.

Regardless. Still don't care if they super duper work. Masks have really crapped on the enjoyment of travel. It's time to let grownups make their own choices again. I chose to not worry about getting infected.

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/03/12/fact-check-cdc-study-links-mask-mandates-slowed-covid-infections/6938262002/

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A new study from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found a link between face mask mandates and a reduction in COVID-19 cases and deaths, but at least one widely shared report wrongly interprets that data.
One America News Network on March 7 published an article under the headline "CDC: Face masks don't prevent COVID-19, study finds masks have negligible impact on coronavirus numbers." The post claims "the CDC has admitted face masks do little to prevent the spread of COVID-19 amid mounting pressure to lift mask mandates across the U.S."
But the CDC's study doesn't say that. In fact, it doesn't study mask efficacy at all. Instead, it links mask mandates to "statistically significant decreases in county-level daily COVID-19 case and death growth rates within 20 days of implementation."

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The pandemic is over lil fella

FriendlyAg said:

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schmendeler said:

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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schmendeler said:

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Bunk Moreland said:

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schmendeler said:

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i seriously do not get why people are so hung up on wearing a mask. is it fun? no. but it's one of the most ridiculously petulant things i think i've seen my entire life how some people whine like a baby if they have to wear a mask around other people in public during a pandemic.

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Not the politics board so I don't want to derail...but then again going to the politics board to discuss will absolutely lead to a derail so it's a catch 22.

I'll say it like this...

I seriously do not get why people are so hung up on others not wearing a mask. Is there any overwhelming science or studies that show it's safer or that the mask wearer is at further risk if a non-masker is in an airport with them? no. but it's one of the most ridiculously petulant things I think i've seen my entire life how some people whine like a baby if someone isn't wearing a mask around other people in public during a pandemic.

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the evidence is clear and overwhelming that wearing masks reduces transmission.

whining like a baby is solely owned by those who want to ignore that fact.

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Extremely negligible per the CDC itself.

Regardless. Still don't care if they super duper work. Masks have really crapped on the enjoyment of travel. It's time to let grownups make their own choices again. I chose to not worry about getting infected.

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/03/12/fact-check-cdc-study-links-mask-mandates-slowed-covid-infections/6938262002/

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A new study from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found a link between face mask mandates and a reduction in COVID-19 cases and deaths, but at least one widely shared report wrongly interprets that data.
One America News Network on March 7 published an article under the headline "CDC: Face masks don't prevent COVID-19, study finds masks have negligible impact on coronavirus numbers." The post claims "the CDC has admitted face masks do little to prevent the spread of COVID-19 amid mounting pressure to lift mask mandates across the U.S."
But the CDC's study doesn't say that. In fact, it doesn't study mask efficacy at all. Instead, it links mask mandates to "statistically significant decreases in county-level daily COVID-19 case and death growth rates within 20 days of implementation."

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The pandemic is over lil fella

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It's definitely getting better and should be over soon if people continue getting vaccinated. But 960 people in America died from Covid yesterday. 104 in Texas alone. It's not over, yet. Lil fella.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

If I worried as much as you over something so statistically low, I wouldn't be living.

Dying with Covid and of Covid are different and it's not going to get more deadly with time. The people dying were/are in bad shape already or haven't cared about their health for a long time.

In Texas, don't about 1,000 babies get born per day? Net 900 gain? I don't think we are going extinct anytime soon, so I'll move on with my life.

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I'm not worried. But just because I'm not worried personally doesn't mean I can't acknowledge that covid is a real thing that is still killing a ton of people every day.

Taking simple precautions like wearing a mask in public is literally the least I can do to until enough people are vaccinated that herd immunity takes over.

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It only gets there if you take off the mask and people get sick....

Something something what doesn't kill you makes you strong something something...

Your logic is so fear driven and emotionally driven. You wanted to say "I believe science". I do too, but I don't feel the need to worry about something so trivial.

I never said I didn't acknowledge it either. Flu kills a lot of old people too and comes back year over year, yet here we are overreacting. This isn't airborne ebola like we thought it was Q2 of last year, it's just not. So we should stop acting like it is.

PERIOD.

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Do you understand how vaccines work? The whole point is that everybody doesn't have to get the virus to achieve herd immunity.

You keep calling me fear and emotionally driven but I'm the only one that is posting evidence to back up what I'm saying. And I am still living my life. We are going out, traveling, even. I just don't throw a hissy fit about wearing a mask where it's requested or required.

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Of course I do. The damage that was done while we waited wasn't worth it. We should have waited if it was the bubonic plague. It's not.

It's not the flu, but it kills a little more than a bad flu year, yet we are still acting like it's April 2020.

The issue is not "my rights" it's that the logic applied isn't logic at all. Young people... who do not die of this, should not be wearing masks. Period. They need to be getting sick to spread this and build their own antibodies.

Wearing a mask post vaccine or being sick is very dumb, what is the actual point?

The larger issue here is that the tyrants have won because of good intentioned followers like you...
If the data was posted about any other way that people die globally at the top of all headlines then most people would fear leaving their houses.

This is a non-issue now from a medical perspective. The only reason it's an issue is because it is a way to control people.

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schmendeler said:

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Do you understand how vaccines work? The whole point is that everybody doesn't have to get the virus to achieve herd immunity.

You keep calling me fear and emotionally driven but I'm the only one that is posting evidence to back up what I'm saying. And I am still living my life. We are going out, traveling, even. I just don't throw a hissy fit about wearing a mask where it's requested or required.

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Of course I do. The damage that was done while we waited wasn't worth it. We should have waited if it was the bubonic plague. It's not.

It's not the flu, but it kills a little more than a bad flu year, yet we are still acting like it's April 2020.

The issue is not "my rights" it's that the logic applied isn't logic at all. Young people... who do not die of this, should not be wearing masks. Period. They need to be getting sick to spread this and build their own antibodies.

Wearing a mask post vaccine or being sick is very dumb, what is the actual point?

The larger issue here is that the tyrants have won because of good intentioned followers like you...
If the data was posted about any other way that people die globally at the top of all headlines then most people would fear leaving their houses.

This is a non-issue now from a medical perspective. The only reason it's an issue is because it is a way to control people.

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We are at a little over a year now of Covid and it has killed about 10 times more than the worst flu year since 2010 and that's with all of the masks and social distancing and whatnot.

Covid might not be life threatening for most, but it has categorically been more deadly than the flu.

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FriendlyAg said:

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schmendeler said:

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Do you understand how vaccines work? The whole point is that everybody doesn't have to get the virus to achieve herd immunity.

You keep calling me fear and emotionally driven but I'm the only one that is posting evidence to back up what I'm saying. And I am still living my life. We are going out, traveling, even. I just don't throw a hissy fit about wearing a mask where it's requested or required.

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Of course I do. The damage that was done while we waited wasn't worth it. We should have waited if it was the bubonic plague. It's not.

It's not the flu, but it kills a little more than a bad flu year, yet we are still acting like it's April 2020.

The issue is not "my rights" it's that the logic applied isn't logic at all. Young people... who do not die of this, should not be wearing masks. Period. They need to be getting sick to spread this and build their own antibodies.

Wearing a mask post vaccine or being sick is very dumb, what is the actual point?

The larger issue here is that the tyrants have won because of good intentioned followers like you...
If the data was posted about any other way that people die globally at the top of all headlines then most people would fear leaving their houses.

This is a non-issue now from a medical perspective. The only reason it's an issue is because it is a way to control people.

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We are at a little over a year now of Covid and it has killed about 10 times more than the worst flu year since 2010 and that's with all of the masks and social distancing and whatnot.

Covid might not be life threatening for most, but it has categorically been more deadly than the flu.

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I have posted nothing to the contrary.

We must move on now. It's way past time. If you're vulnerable, stay at home, If you're not get out there and live life.

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"Dying with Covid and of Covid are different and it's not going to get more deadly with time."

Here is a graph showing weekly deaths in the USA for 2020 vs previous years. It's a significant departure from a "bad flu year".

2017-2018 was a bad flu year.

https://www.statnews.com/2018/09/26/cdc-us-flu-deaths-winter/

Check it out on the chart.

I'm not posting this as fear porn, but the narrative that it is "just like the flu" or that the death tally is overblown is nonsense and needs to be refuted clearly.

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Read my words again.

Ya, more people died. You can't convince me that we should act different as a society though 500,000 out of 320,000,000 died over a 12 month period and its declining rapidly. Out of those 500,000 a vast vast vast majority of these people were very old and very unhealthy.

Those people should stay home. Society should and needs to move on.

It will be hard, but it's what we need to do.

Social distancing, masks, not leaving your house all seem counter productive to building a healthy body and immune system to combat bugs.

The fear porn, control, Karen's, and people generally living in absolute fear does not align with the risk that the vast majority of the population faces.

FriendlyAg said:

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ATM9000 said:

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FriendlyAg said:

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schmendeler said:

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Do you understand how vaccines work? The whole point is that everybody doesn't have to get the virus to achieve herd immunity.

You keep calling me fear and emotionally driven but I'm the only one that is posting evidence to back up what I'm saying. And I am still living my life. We are going out, traveling, even. I just don't throw a hissy fit about wearing a mask where it's requested or required.

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Of course I do. The damage that was done while we waited wasn't worth it. We should have waited if it was the bubonic plague. It's not.

It's not the flu, but it kills a little more than a bad flu year, yet we are still acting like it's April 2020.

The issue is not "my rights" it's that the logic applied isn't logic at all. Young people... who do not die of this, should not be wearing masks. Period. They need to be getting sick to spread this and build their own antibodies.

Wearing a mask post vaccine or being sick is very dumb, what is the actual point?

The larger issue here is that the tyrants have won because of good intentioned followers like you...
If the data was posted about any other way that people die globally at the top of all headlines then most people would fear leaving their houses.

This is a non-issue now from a medical perspective. The only reason it's an issue is because it is a way to control people.

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We are at a little over a year now of Covid and it has killed about 10 times more than the worst flu year since 2010 and that's with all of the masks and social distancing and whatnot.

Covid might not be life threatening for most, but it has categorically been more deadly than the flu.

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I have posted nothing to the contrary.

We must move on now. It's way past time. If you're vulnerable, stay at home, If you're not get out there and live life.

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You said it kills a little more than a bad flu year but it appears to kill multiple times more than a bad flu year. So yeah... you did post to the contrary.

It's leveling off and so should restrictions.