Ohtani has a blister issue. He indicated he isn't sure how it will impact his hitting. The point there is, when considering him a TWP, if you lose him... you lose 2 players. At 29, the wear-and-tear will mount.

Trout is likely out 6 to 8 weeks, so him coming back before the trade deadline is unlikely. I'm not sure how you move him with the money attached to him as he turns into Pujols. At 31, he is owed $37M for the next 7 years.

Rendon's xray came back negative, but could still land on the IL. While he isn't a huge loss at this point, the losses of Urshela, O'Hoppe, Neto, and Matt Moore seem to be mounting. At 33, $38M owed for next 3 years.

IMO, there are just too many holes for the Halos to salvaget this season. Which means they'll probably win 15 straight.

27 days (just under 4 weeks) until the trade deadline.

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Since his return from the IL, Evan Carter has moved up to No. 7 on the top 100 prospects list, and he has 20 hits, 12 RBIs in 11 games. Kid is real, boys.

Also, MLB draft is Sunday at 6:00 pm.

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Bring him up to play LF. Taveras has been too good to take out of the lineup but this would solidify LF

If we bring up Carter, we play Duran at DH every day?

Can you imagine facing this?

1. Semien
2. Seager
3. Jung or Lowe
4. El Bombi
5. Lowe or Jung
6. Heim
7. Carter?
8. Duran
9. Taveras

Dear God.....

fc2112 said:

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I wonder why Brad Miller is still on the roster?

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I forgot that he was until my daughter looked at the dugout and said hey there's a guy with Miller on his jersey.

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fc2112 said:

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I wonder why Brad Miller is still on the roster?

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I forgot that he was until my daughter looked at the dugout and said hey there's a guy with Miller on his jersey.

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He's been out injured, then went on a two week or so rehab assignment in both Frisco and RR. Just rejoined the team within the past week. Don't think he has played in a game yet since his return.

And then Duran could just relieve Seager and Jung when they need days off. I still think Carter needs some more time, particularly because of the injury, but it's hard to argue his control of the bat and the strike zone. He's got some of the best plate discipline I've seen from a prospect.

Also, it's hard to argue the success that some of these young guys who come up at 20 & 21 are having. Julio Rodriguez, Elly De La Cruz, Michael Harris II, Corbin Carrol (who I think Evan resembles a ton), Fransico Alvarez etc. The game has never been more tailored for young, athletic guys than now.

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Also, the debates between DallasAg and PropJoe can continue. I think we all enjoy that.

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Ohtani has a blister issue. He indicated he isn't sure how it will impact his hitting. The point there is, when considering him a TWP, if you lose him... you lose 2 players. At 29, the wear-and-tear will mount.

Trout is likely out 6 to 8 weeks, so him coming back before the trade deadline is unlikely. I'm not sure how you move him with the money attached to him as he turns into Pujols. At 31, he is owed $37M for the next 7 years.

Rendon's xray came back negative, but could still land on the IL. While he isn't a huge loss at this point, the losses of Urshela, O'Hoppe, Neto, and Matt Moore seem to be mounting. At 33, $38M owed for next 3 years.

IMO, there are just too many holes for the Halos to salvaget this season. Which means they'll probably win 15 straight.

27 days (just under 4 weeks) until the trade deadline.

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The Angles just need to blow that roster up and start over. But they are locked into some long term deals, so not easy. Ohtani is going to sign either with an LA or NY team. But I doubt it is the Angels, he can surely tell this team/organization isn't winning a title anytime soon.

Some texture:
1. Semien: 86G, .280, 11 HR, 9 SB <- #17 in BA in AL
2. Seager: 54G, .347, 10 HR, 1 SB. <- 247 PAs - Would be #1BA
3. Jung: 83G, .274, 17 HR, 1 SB <- #22 in BA
4. El Bombi: 85G, .258, 21 HR, 6 SB
5. Lowe: 85G, .272, 9 HR, 0 SB <- #24 in BA
6. Heim: 75G, .282, 12 HR, 2 SB <- #15 in BA
7. Carter?
8. Duran: 66G, .306, 12 HR, 4 SB. <- 246 PAs - Would be #5BA
9. Taveras: 72G, .301, 10 HR, 9 SB. <- #5 in BA

Replaced:
Jankowski: 50G, .325, 1 HR, 10 SB
Grossman: 64G, .228, 7HR, 0SB
Smith: 50G, .211, 3HR, 1 SB

Just an FYI... 86G, 266.6 PA to Qual

We have 5 of the top 24 BAs and after the ASB, we could have 7 of the TOp 26.

HUGE shift from the 3-Outcome strategy we had with Odor, Mazara, Gallo, et al.

I agree.

Also, we need Smith to have a chance to show his value.

I'm not sure the date, but there is a date at which we don't lose a year in service time bringing up Carter. I could see him get a call, but it needs to likely be in September.

I think the LAD are the likely team.

The NYM have spent so much money, it is crazy. Dodgers appear to be unloading a bunch of players, although it will likely sign/extend some. They also have a bunch of Opt for 2024.


CB Tax 40-Man
NYM: $386M (2023). Projected at $265M in 2024.
NYY: $299M (2023). Projected at $196M in 2024.

LAD: $256M (2023). Projected at $103M in 2024

For reference:
Tex: $227M (2023). Projected $158M in 2024.

Dodgers lose: Heyward, Kershaw, Urias, Muncy, Syndergaard, Martinez,

DallasAg 94 said:

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I think the LAD are the likely team.

The NYM have spent so much money, it is crazy. Dodgers appear to be unloading a bunch of players, although it will likely sign/extend some. They also have a bunch of Opt for 2024.


CB Tax 40-Man
NYM: $386M (2023). Projected at $265M in 2024.
NYY: $299M (2023). Projected at $196M in 2024.

LAD: $256M (2023). Projected at $103M in 2024

For reference:
Tex: $227M (2023). Projected $158M in 2024.

Dodgers lose: Heyward, Kershaw, Urias, Muncy, Syndergaard, Martinez,

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Still would love it if Kershaw signed here next year.

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We sure have three soft series in a row - Boston, Washington and Cleveland. Need to make some hay.

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I'd feel much better about life if we ran off 6 in a row to get to the break. At least 5-1.

It all starts with Jon Gray today. If he can get back to 1/2 earned run baseball, then I feel solid we'll go into the break in a positive way, but if Gray gives up 4-5+ again…

He's the linchpin for the rotation right now because he connects what has been a good/consistent Eovaldi and Dunning, to a less Consistent Heaney and down right bad Perez.

Well, that is pretty inflammatory against Perez.

In his 17 GS, he has 8 QS (T16 in AL) and is 7-3. T11 in Ws in AL

If you take out his 4 bad games, he has a 2.65 ERA in the other 13.

I'd take a 2.65 ERA and 8 QS from my #5 SP.

In before being accused of cherry-picking stats.

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It all starts with Jon Gray today. If he can get back to 1/2 earned run baseball, then I feel solid we'll go into the break in a positive way, but if Gray gives up 4-5+ again…

He's the linchpin for the rotation right now because he connects what has been a good/consistent Eovaldi and Dunning, to a less Consistent Heaney and down right bad Perez.

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Gray needs to step up his game:

Rangers QS:
10 Eovaldi
8 Perez
7 Gray
6 Dunning
6 Heaney

Wins:
10 Eovaldi
8 Dunning
7 Perez
6 Gray
5 Heaney

Just sayin'...

Y'all still talking about Perez? Same thing has been true (for the most part) about him this season. On the road the offense will need to step up and at home he will give you a good start. He's not a solid 2 or 3 but if we get to the point where it's obvious that he's the worst in the rotation then we are in elite company as far as pitching rotations in the mlb. He signed a one year contract for a little less than 20 so that's about fair. Also who cares about the money since there is no hard cap in this league and none of us are paying him? Perez isn't an all star but he's also not some bum pitcher.

Just for discussion, but should the Angels consider moving their franchise and get out of California? I think there's some similarities between them and Oakland just in terms of shear irrelevancy. Which is hard to do when you've had the best player in baseball for a decade+. I think there's a real argument here.

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Just for discussion, but should the Angels consider moving their franchise and get out of California? I think there's some similarities between them and Oakland just in terms of shear irrelevancy. Which is hard to do when you've had the best player in baseball for a decade+. I think there's a real argument here.

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I don't think so.

They're in the top half attendance wise (actually, better raw attendance numbers than the Rangers this season. Capacity % they're worse because they have a larger stadium (45K vs 40K). They get a decent amount of the Orange County crowd from what I recall. They'll pretty much always be second fiddle to the Dodgers, but they've got a good following (similar to the Mets and Yankees).

That question is deeper than you probably think.

Oakland has been embattled with the A's for decades. The local Govs refused to jointly build a stadium so there was constant conflict. The A's can't generate revenue because they play baseball in a football stadium that is difficult to get to and needs to be rebuilt.

For the Halos, the owner Arte Moreno has different issues.

From what I understand he is as focused on status as he is winning. He'll pay a bunch of money for a big name without regard to winning games. He is battling for attention in the SoCal market and so, he signs name.

Also, he actually owns the stadium directly or indirectly along with the surrounding property. It is an older stadium, but has been updated multiple times.

The stadium will be used in 2028 for the Olympics (Baseball and Softball).

Semien 2B

Seager SS

Lowe 1B

Garcia RF

Jung 3B

Heim C

Garver DH

Grossman LF

Jankowski CF

See, you bring up some of what I'm after, and that is status. I don't think they have much status, if any. They are a distant third in California behind the Giants and Dodgers, and that is WITH Ohtani and Trout. Nothing feels big, grand or important about the Angels outside of two guys, one of which is going to leave. I could make the argument that even Oakland has more status than the Angels just from a historical perspective. I am super curious to see how far they fall off when Ohtani leaves, and I know they aren't leaving. Just a thought based on their lack of success the past decade and the fact that the biggest name in baseball will be out the door this offseason.

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Semien 2B

Seager SS

Lowe 1B

Garcia RF

Jung 3B

Heim C

Garver DH

Grossman LF

Jankowski CF

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Switch Lowe and Garver, or move Garver up in the line up and get him more ABs.

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-trade-deadline-ranking-top-20-trade-candidates-as-max-scherzer-joins-list-shohei-ohtani-off-for-now/

I'd love to have Josh Hader in this bullpen. True rental - he won't cost too much in terms of prospects, will he?

A lot of things factor into the associated cost (prospect wise) of acquiring players at or near the deadline. Some of it is obvious - the more teams who need a bullpen arm, the costlier bullpen arms are going to be.

Then there's the perceived value of players & prospects. We might value some of our young players higher than other teams. We may have depth at positions that a potential trade partner likewise has depth, and so our package might be less attractive. It's also my opinion that desperation is like blood in the water for sharks, and if other teams think we're desperate for an arm, the price will jump up accordingly.

I'm hopeful that we can find an arm or two without having to mortgage much of the future to get them. This team is finally getting built to make more than a one year run at a championship and I'd hate to pi$$ that away out of a knee-jerk, gotta win this year response to a great start. JMO

By Status, I'm not talking popularity or how much of a following.

It is the Quality of follower. I think Moreno would rather have 5 fans at the game who are Hollywood A-Listers... than to have a stadium full of middle-class people.

It is signing Pujols, Hamilton, Rendon, Ohtani, or whomever, and then having these gaping holes in pitching.

People go to see a marquee player, like Ohtani and Trout regardless of the team's record. He reminds me of Hicks in the sense, Hicks spent his wad on A-Rod and had nothing around him. Moreno strikes me as the guy who would be ok with A-Rod in a .500 team, than to be competitive and win with a lunch pail team of no-names.

I've lived in East LA and I've lived in Orange County. IMO, the demographics for fans could not be more different.