halfastros81 said:

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Very happy that they kept Uncle Mike in the fold. Now, what to do about center field?

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If they stay in house it would likely be Straws, maybe let TED play some there if we find better corner options, but that isn't ideal.

Here are the remaining CF free agents.
Jackie Bradley Jr
Kevin Pillar
Brett Gardner
Cameron Maybin
Delino Deshields
Jake Marisnick
Billy Hamilton
Juan Lagares

My choices would be JBJ, Marisnick, Pillar in that order.

Don't be surprised if Jose Siri factors into the outfield discussion too. Not saying we want to bank on him as the starting CF going into spring, but he could end up as that by midseason. Sounds like his plate discipline is improving and drew some pretty strong interest in the free agent market before we snagged him.

I might be more on the side of signing Jake or Maybin to a short/cheap deal. We obviously don't want to put all our eggs in the Siri basket, but not sure we want to spend $10mm on someone like JBJ either. Then save our remaining $$ for another bullpen arm or for dry powder at the deadline.

https://aroundthefoghorn.com/2020/12/12/sf-giants-rumors-jose-siri/

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In seven minor league seasons with the Reds, Siri slashed .264/.313/.447 with 68 home runs, 98 doubles, 54 triples, and 270 RBI. He has always demonstrated tantalizing 70 to 80-grade potential power with good speed on the bases, consistently ranking among the Reds top 30 prospects.

However, historically, Siri has struggled with plate discipline. Over his career, he has posted a six percent walk rate against a 27.7 percent strikeout rate. The swing-and-miss is always going to be part of his game, but the Giants hoped that they could help him be more selective at the plate and develop hit tool enough to allow him to more consistently tap into his power.

Furthermore, Siri has the speed, athleticism, and instincts to stick in center field, so even if he does not make major strides at the plate, he has the profile of a solid fourth outfielder.

This winter, Siri is playing in the Dominican Winter League for the second consecutive year. He has posted a .771 OPS and most notably, cut his strikeout and nearly doubled his walk-rate, suggesting he is making strides in his development.

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Farmer1906 said:

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halfastros81 said:

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Very happy that they kept Uncle Mike in the fold. Now, what to do about center field?

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If they stay in house it would likely be Straws, maybe let TED play some there if we find better corner options, but that isn't ideal.

Here are the remaining CF free agents.
Jackie Bradley Jr
Kevin Pillar
Brett Gardner
Cameron Maybin
Delino Deshields
Jake Marisnick
Billy Hamilton
Juan Lagares

My choices would be JBJ, Marisnick, Pillar in that order.

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Second

That seems like a long shot, but its worth noting.

If Leon can prove he can play CF and develops as expected, he's the target for CF in 2022/3.

We need someone that can help us now. 2 year deal, max.

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Here are the remaining CF free agents.
Jackie Bradley Jr. ok
Kevin Pillar. Meh
Brett Gardner. I would kill myself before watching him play on this team.
Cameron Maybin. Nope.
Delino Deshields. Nope nope.
Jake Marisnick. Ok
Billy Hamilton. Nope.
Juan Lagares. Who?

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I'd still like us to grab Naquin. Platoon him with Straw.

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• Tyler Naquin is drawing interest from multiple teams, Paul Hoynes of the Cleveland Plain Dealer writes, but it doesn't seem like a reunion with the Indians is in the cards. "The chances of [Naquin] re-signing were slim" after the Tribe non-tendered Naquin earlier this month, Hoynes writes. The 15th overall pick of the 2012 draft, Naquin showed flashes of stardom (particularly in his 2016 rookie year) during five seasons in Cleveland, but injuries and struggles against left-handed pitching have hampered Naquin's career. Interstingly, Hoynes notes that "a couple" of teams are thinking about Naquin as a candidate to play center field, though Naquin hasn't played the position since 2018 and his defensive metrics as a center fielder aren't promising.

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He's been good when healthy against righties. Would also be a decent insurance plan for any injuries.

Could we trade half our minor league system for Trout? That would shore up the CF position I think.

Probably would take more than that to get Trout lol

CoachRTM said:

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* goes to settings *

Force Trade -> On

*backs out*


Ok, we're good to go.

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Trades minor league prospect for Gerrit Cole. Force trade. Edit all Astros attributes to max out 99 and edit contracts to year 1 of 10 for all

We good now

yes, 2-year max.

now will Bradley accept a 2-year deal

He may not have a choice if no one offers him a 3 year deal. Maybe give him a mutual option or vesting option for the 3rd year.

Yep, Castro is a very solid offensive player so long as he doesn't have to face lefties, which he shouldn't have to do much this year.

Probably a better pinch hit option vs rhp than Toro, too.

I had forgotten about Toro.

is he, um, going to make the team in 2021?

That aligns with what I've heard on Colin McHugh's podcast as far as players and arbitration.

IIRC he actually laughed about it saying it can sometimes be a beat down because you go in and get berated with reasons why you suck.

But from what I gathered players understand it.

I really really hope we can lock Carlos up. I wonder what it is going to take. Manny got 300M over 10 years. I'd say Carlos is a notch below him. Maybe 300 M over 12 years. That's a 25 M per year until Carlos is 38.

slightly changing subjects...

will Springer have his jersey retired by the Astros someday?

George played 7 years (2014-2020) for the 'stros...and technically he was a member of the organization for 10 years (drafted in 2011).

Mike Scott only played 9 seasons with the Astros...and his jersey hangs in the rafters

Agreed. The bar for Jersey retirement here is way too low. We need to retire Berkman, Wagner, & Oswald too.

I think Carlos is better than Manny

Farmer1906 said:

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I really really hope we can lock Carlos up. I wonder what it is going to take. Manny got 300M over 10 years. I'd say Carlos is a notch below him. Maybe 300 M over 12 years. That's a 25 M per year until Carlos is 38.

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I wonder if we could get him for 240M over 8 years. Slightly higher annual value and you have him signed through 36.

The issue with Correa is going to be whether he can stay healthy. He's been relatively fragile, likely won't be SS for his entire career either.

Love Correa in his prime right now but i definitely don't like anything beyond 6 years

I think 10 years 300 MM would probably get him to sign.

That's likely going to be the type of salary he demands if he goes to free agency. It might be over paying years 6-10. But that's the going rate for a top SS in his mid 20s right now.

Personal opinion here but if that's what it takes then he won't be an Astro...

Ag_07 said:

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No way he'd be ok being a FA at 36.

That's no man's land. Too young to retire and too old to get another decent contract.

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No doubt, it's not really in his interest at all financially. But he can still get a huge contract and stay with the Astros if he wants to sacrifice years

But a 10 year contract? For the Astros it's really not worth it, far too much risk to potentially end up with another pujols albatross contract

Lonestar_Ag09 said:

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Personal opinion here but if that's what it takes then he won't be an Astro...

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Actually after looking at it I would say probably closer to 250 MM over 10 years would do it and be a good deal for both sides

Farmer1906 said:

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I really really hope we can lock Carlos up. I wonder what it is going to take. Manny got 300M over 10 years. I'd say Carlos is a notch below him. Maybe 300 M over 12 years. That's a 25 M per year until Carlos is 38.

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I sure hope we don't have to do one of those ridiculous 10 year contracts. Just pay him a crap load upfront while he is still good.

That's the name of the game when it comes to young stars.

A ten year contract means we'd get Carlos from age 27 to 36. Let's say the prime ends at 32. That's 6 years of elite SS play. Then possibly 1-2 more decent years. Before we're stuck paying for the last 2-3 that maybe aren't great. 60% of the contract is for a great player.

Compare that to wanting to pay George. He's 31. OFers probably age better than SS but elite George is only going to be around 1-2 more years. 33% of the contract is for a great player.

Short of paying Carlos 40+ a year for 6ish year, I can't see him signing a shorter deal.