07ag said:

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bearkatag15 said:

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Only posting his stuff here so we can see what was said

... but **** Jomboy

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favorite part of that vid was the last 10 seconds

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So will a media member ask Kelley if he's
Going to throw at his former Redsox teammates heads for electronically stealing signs in 2017 and 2018? Did he throw at Betts during intrasquad games. I bet FS1 never mentioned HIS TEAMS CHEATED THE SAME WAY.

Carlos hurt his feelings with the 'Throw your fastball bltch'

Only thing that would've made Carlos' response better would be pointing to the gold banner for all those sore losers.

Ag_07 said:

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Carlos hurt his feelings with the 'Throw your fastball bltch'

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That was the best part. Bltch move to act like a tough guy, finesse him with sliders, and laugh when he makes a bad swing. Be a man and throw the heat.

This is who Joe Kelly reminds me of

Let me start by saying we will just have to get used to being the villains because we did cheat and did get caught. Particularly in this drive-by, Twitter, let's-get-outraged culture, this will take awhile. No person will understand your position so you might as well embrace the hate. But Rob Manfred handled this situation very poorly, in which one organization took a public flogging early and often while other organizations (who had been warned previously) were able to scurry around and point fingers and a few personnel adjustments. Once you have a scapegoat and some scalp to show around, nobody really has the attention span or curiosity to care about what happens to the other organizations. Yes, Fiers going public forced his hand to a degree. And there is no way that Manfred was going to make this appear to be a more widespread problem unless he was forced to do so. Bad for the league that way right? But the actions were so decidedly and openly concentrated on Houston initially that it placed one of its member organizations in a spot of us against the world when it didn't have to be quite that way. It appears that at least 3 elite teams in the AL at the time we're involved in intelligence and counter-intelligence on a scale where none of the 3 trusted each other because they all knew what was going on. I hope that the lawsuit seeking release of information from MLB on the Yankees will help to some degree, because my view is that Manfred should have prosecuted the matter on a broader scale instead of putting the Astros organization on a stage like he did.

Joe Kelly is such a d-bag but I'm upset Carlos bailed him out. He wasn't locating at all (unless it was at our heads) and couldn't even throw his fastball. Don't tell him to throw his fastball when he just struck you out.

Did you watch it live or even the videos here in the thread?

Carlos didn't escalate anything. I think he actually handled pretty well.

As a matter of fact...Bregman didn't escalate anything, Brantley didn't escalate anything. The only Astro that remotely escalated anything was one Dusty Baker Jr.

And I applaud him for it

In fairness, I think Carlos handled the situation well. When you strike out and the pitcher yells "nice swing b", it's impossible to just ignore it.

Wouldn't surprise me. I like it

Dusty is just an OG

MosesHallRAB04 said:

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Warnings will be issued before the game tonight so Astros won't have a chance to retaliate without risking suspension.

While I like his fire Carlos just needed to take his K like a man and go to the dugout. He was beat pure and simple. Escalating it ensured the Astros pitchers wouldn't have the chance to protect their hitters.

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He just stood there

I applaud how Bregman and Correa handled it. We knew this was coming and so did they. At least Correa walked the walk with his play last night

Quick rant:

I hate the "control issues" excuse so much. It's so obvious when a pitcher actually has control issues and when he's using it as a cover to throw at guys.

A guy with control issues is going to look a little frustrated, act distraught when a pitch gets away near a batter, and possibly even gesture a "my bad" to the batter or opposing dugout. A guy using it as cover to throw at guys is going to act exactly how Joe Kelly acted last night.

I guess two things frustrate me:

1) Why does MLB tend to buy it as an excuse?

2) If a pitcher wants to throw at guys, he needs to sack up, be a man and own it. Hiding behind "control issues" is such a bltch move.

Kelly made his agenda obvious when he yawned after the first incident. He started the mouthing, he slid his foot under Brantley, he kept throwing up and in to Gurriel.

And all this from a dude that wore a Red Sox jersey and was not even involved in the '17 WS. Nothing but a little punk. He's a coward.

Teddy Perkins said:

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That's my manager.

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Only thing better would have been if he said "Don't start no ****, won't be no ****"

Some surprisingly level headed reaction from ESPN:

MosesHallRAB04 said:

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07ag said:

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bearkatag15 said:

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Only posting his stuff here so we can see what was said

... but **** Jomboy

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favorite part of that vid was the last 10 seconds

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So will a media member ask Kelley if he's
Going to throw at his former Redsox teammates heads for electronically stealing signs in 2017 and 2018? Did he throw at Betts during intrasquad games. I bet FS1 never mentioned HIS TEAMS CHEATED THE SAME WAY.

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Someone should ask him what was all over his forearm in the 2018 ALCS. For a guy critical of stealing signs, he sure likes to use foreign substances as a pitcher.

Level headed? Yes
Any mention of Kelly's Red Sox doing the same damn thing? Nope