I don't think we can pay Correa what he wants. George IMO is clearly better than Carlos. But Correa is going to demand more money and a longer term deal.

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He gone

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George likes Houston. Anywhere you spend the prime years of your life you will have some affinity towards. However, I fully expect George to feel taken advantage up by delaying his start to the bigs. Now he's hitting the market at 31 and not 29. 29 year old George could have maybe gotten 200 M. 31 year old George won't sniff that. It's his right to hit the market and get paid what's he's worth. It sounds like he wants to unless Houston really gives him a fat deal now.

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I got zero issues with George looking out for #1 after the Astros did the same to him. Hope we can keep him in the orange and blue, though.

Its a lose lose with Springer. Hes the heart and soul of the team.....buuuuut, with the way he plays there is no way you can lock up a big chunk of your team salary in a player like that who is on the wrong side of 30

Farmer1906 said:

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I don't think we can pay Correa what he wants. George IMO is clearly better than Carlos. But Correa is going to demand more money and a longer term deal.

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Doubt we can keep both

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Want to know how health gets put first? You cancel the season. You hide in your house. You never go outside again or have anyone in again.

Or you can figure out a plan. Take precautions. Play and continue to live life.

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Hey more power to David Price if he wants to give up millions of $$ because he's scared of the virus. It's a choice he can make and while I completely disagree with it, no big deal

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Except he likely isn't. I believe(maybe mistaken so much back and forth) the final agreement said players could opt out and still get their money.

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Oh if that's the case, never mind

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Farmer1906 said:

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I don't think we can pay Correa what he wants. George IMO is clearly better than Carlos. But Correa is going to demand more money and a longer term deal.

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Doubt we can keep both

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100% agree.

I think Carlos is going to cost something like 200-250 M over 7-9 years, while George is more like 100-125 over 4-5 years.

Either way, I think we'll be paying for their mid-30s.

I'd rather Spring 10 times out of 10 over Correa all things considered

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I'd rather Spring 10 times out of 10 over Correa all things considered

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I think I agree, but playoff Correa is unmatched.

Springer and Correa have been my favorite Astros since 2015. Losing either one will suck ... but it seems inevitable

I just hope we don't lose both

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The Milkman said:

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I'd rather Spring 10 times out of 10 over Correa all things considered

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I think I agree, but playoff Correa is unmatched.

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What if I told you playoff George matches and probably even outmatches playoff Correa?

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Yep. They really are 1A and 1B in regards to postseason performance. It's wild to see that stat they put up last year about when both of them homer in the same playoff games

ALCS game 2. ALCS game 3, WS game 4 (or was it 5?), and then even in the 2017 postseason ALDS game 2, WS Game 2, and 5

Here was his full answer. He basically didn't answer, but I really Didn't think he would say yes or no. He has a lot of negotiating leverage

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Astros Stats (@astro_numbers) Tweeted:
Remember when the Astros rotation was Justin Verlander, Gerrit Cole, Dallas Keuchel, Charlie Morton, and Lance McCullers Jr.? Those were good times.

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The 2018 rotation, with this years lineup (inlcluding Yordan) would be unstoppable

We would have been WS champions in 2019 if we held onto Morton. And the reason I say that is because Hinch was hesitant to bring Cole out of the pen unless we had the lead and it was to start an inning .... he wouldn't have been hesitant to bring in CFM from the pen in game 7.

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My hunch is that we let Springer walk, use some of the saved short term $$ to retain Brantley and Yuli with tack on deals, and bookmark the longer term $$ for Correa or LMJ after 2021.

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I think this is exactly what the front office is thinking.

the 'stros can probably keep both Brantley and Yuli for 2021 & 2022...for the same amount it would cost to keep George.

and the franchise has to save some money for Lance

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Nuke LaLoosh said:

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Astros Stats (@astro_numbers) Tweeted:
Remember when the Astros rotation was Justin Verlander, Gerrit Cole, Dallas Keuchel, Charlie Morton, and Lance McCullers Jr.? Those were good times.

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The 2018 rotation, with this years lineup (inlcluding Yordan) would be unstoppable

We would have been WS champions in 2019 if we held onto Morton. And the reason I say that is because Hinch was hesitant to bring Cole out of the pen unless we had the lead and it was to start an inning .... he wouldn't have been hesitant to bring in CFM from the pen in game 7.

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You think we might have won the world series in a year where our rotation was CYA-1, CYA-2, CYA-3? Yeah that wouldve been pretty solid...

Morton was 3rd in the Cy Young voting last year.

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Its a lose lose with Springer. Hes the heart and soul of the team.....buuuuut, with the way he plays there is no way you can lock up a big chunk of your team salary in a player like that who is on the wrong side of 30

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yes, Springer is on the wrong side of 30. Cannot give a position player that age a 6 or 7-year deal. Have to let another team make that mistake

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My hunch is that we let Springer walk, use some of the saved short term $$ to retain Brantley and Yuli with tack on deals, and bookmark the longer term $$ for Correa or LMJ after 2021.

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To me this is the best case scenario if we have to lose springer. The 2021 OF would be Brantley, ?, and Tucker

My guess in this scenario is we try to get a cheap 1 year CF like a Dexter Fowler/Marisnick type, or we depend on Straw

That's true. Game 1 still pisses me off. We should have won that game and the series in 5

I hate the business of baseball in today's world. I love both Springer and Correa and don't want to see them in another uniform.

We could've and should've won without Charlie.

Not having him wasn't why we lost.

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My hunch is that we let Springer walk, use some of the saved short term $$ to retain Brantley and Yuli with tack on deals, and bookmark the longer term $$ for Correa or LMJ after 2021.

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To me this is the best case scenario if we have to lose springer. The 2021 OF would be Brantley, ?, and Tucker

My guess in this scenario is we try to get a cheap 1 year CF like a Dexter Fowler/Marisnick type, or we depend on Straw

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I think the hope right now is that Straw can fill the CF role but seems likely that we'd also sign a cheap vet (like the ones listed) as insurance.

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My hunch is that we let Springer walk, use some of the saved short term $$ to retain Brantley and Yuli with tack on deals, and bookmark the longer term $$ for Correa or LMJ after 2021.

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To me this is the best case scenario if we have to lose springer. The 2021 OF would be Brantley, ?, and Tucker

My guess in this scenario is we try to get a cheap 1 year CF like a Dexter Fowler/Marisnick type, or we depend on Straw

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I'm not following. Dexter Fowler and Marisnick or very very different types.

George's and Reddick's departures would clear about $34 MM.

that's a big chunk of change suddenly available

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My hunch is that we let Springer walk, use some of the saved short term $$ to retain Brantley and Yuli with tack on deals, and bookmark the longer term $$ for Correa or LMJ after 2021.

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To me this is the best case scenario if we have to lose springer. The 2021 OF would be Brantley, ?, and Tucker

My guess in this scenario is we try to get a cheap 1 year CF like a Dexter Fowler/Marisnick type, or we depend on Straw

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I'm not following. Dexter Fowler and Marisnick or very very different types.

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I just mean guys who would warrant their type of money. They are cheaper but not a waste of money ... could get them for less than 8 mil on a 1-2 year deal. The type of guy who can bridge the gap and be semi-productive if one of your prospects is 2 years away from making an impact

I'm just the messenger, not sure as to the truth of this...

There you go. Live feed from a big ass telephoto Lens on a catcher. Violated the edict handed down the year before. Burn them to the ground.

Oh. Wait. I forgot. It's the Yankees. Move along. Nothing to see. They didn't win a WS.

Crazy Verlander idea so follow me on this

Lets just assume it's TJ but like others in the past JV can still pitch before he needs the surgery.
But by the time he's shut down and stretched back out it's pretty deep into the shortened season. Plus he's only got X amount of IP left on his arm.

Do you pitch the idea of JV pitching out the pen this year? Limits the innings on his arm but he still contributes and he's not lost for the entire season.

It's really wishful thinking but maybe at that point you can cut Biagini.

sorry but......reading comprehension,

TED is in LF, Reddick is in RF and Brantley is at DH

Looks like clear evidence of cheating.

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Looks like clear evidence of cheating.

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I'd say sadly it's about as much evidence as Altuve not wanting his jersey ripped off

Suspicious ... but nothing more than that

In order for the MLB to investigate the Yankees, you need more than that video

Teams were actively stealing signs in 2018 and especially in the 2018 playoffs, paranoia ran rampant through the playoffs and games lasted through interminable mound visits for sign changes. The Indians and Astros were basically getting into counterespionage activities with each other, etc.

MLB swept it all under the rug. You can tell they knew, because they then banned all cameras from foul pole to foul pole before the 2019 season (which is theoretically after this video was taken). IMO, part of the reason why they're actively trying to ignore this as a widespread problem is because they've already known specific events that were happening and have already ignored the punishment aspect for those events and now continuing that course is all they want to do. Ie basically "I'm not here to talk about the past" (barring a player opening his big ****ing mouth to rat on his own team). To do otherwise would be embarrassing because they'd end up having to explain why they are punishing a team now for something they had already found out about years ago.